...and can we do what God requires? (Continued from another thread). Here's what we have so far...I'll give what I said earlier, then a few new responses to Van's points: Originally Posted by 12strings: All of scripture shows that no one can meet his standard of acceptance...if they could, Jesus would not have had to die on a cross. If there were people who were capable of loving God with all of their heart, soul, mind, & strength, they would not need to be redeemed. That is not even a Calvinism issue. 1. What exactly is false in my statement above? Are you saying it completely false & devoid of truth to say that humans cannot meet God's standard of acceptance??? If so, why the cross? 2. Matthew 23:13 does not say how or why those who "Would" enter were entering...and how does this fit with your stated agreement with Eternal security of believers? 3. John 21 (a) does not speak of peter's salvation, (b) does not say Jesus accepts Peter's "best effort", and (c) does not bring any light to this discussion. You are absolutely correct. I believe God accepts us based on the merit of his son's completed work on the cross. As stated before in other threads, the "Through Faith in the truth" clause could refer either to salvation, or to the choosing..." That debate will likely not be solved here. Here we get to the real issue, I think...in that I believe there is NNE who does even their best. It's not as though people are trying their very best to love and trust God. We cannot even live up to our own standards, much less God's. Van's language here must be taken in context with his statements elsewhere that salvation is all of God, and that even our love and faith are not meritorious...HOWEVER, using language like "God accepts our best effort" and "God does the rest" is very dangerous. Also as part of this discussion is whether it is possible for a human to obey the great commandment and love God with ALL their heart... -I say no...Van says yes. What say the Baptist-board experts???