What Does It mean To make "Lord of Your Life?"

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  1. JesusFan

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    is it ongoing, one time surrendering, a process, or what?

    How much of ourlife needs to be under His lordship to be really saved?
     
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    I am led of and by the Holy Spirit to get out of bed every morning, in submission, and to remind myself of that condition, lived and followed, with the help and leading, only with the presence, all day long, of the Holy Spirit. It is an on going, moment by moment, commitment.
     
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    I think theologically we make it too complicated between salvation and Lordship.

    Those in Matthew 7 called Him "Lord, Lord" yet somewhere along the line the only thing that separated them was they were never truly saved from their sins. It was lip service only.

    It wasn't that they didn't make Him Lord, it was they never truly were regenerated.
     
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    What does it mean? Not much, really. Christ is Lord. Can anyone here by their carnal actions dethrone him as Lord? No, of course not.

    Let's use another example. I gave it on another thread but don't know where it is. If you lived in the reign of King James, 400 years ago, when kings had power, you would be subject to the king. He would, in effect, be your king, your lord, and you, his subject, his servant. You are a citizen of the country subject to the laws of the king. As long as you obey them you remain a loyal and obedient subject and servant of the king. He is your king, your lord.

    But what if you disobey? Does that change your status as a citizen, a subject? No, it does not. The King is still the king. And you are still his subject, albeit a rebellious one. You may receive a fine, jail time, or you may get away with your rebellion. But you remain a subject of the king. Your relationship has changed. You cannot approach the king as you once were able to do, but you are still his subject and he is still your king. There is nothing you can do to change that. If you do some serious wrong it may cost you your life, an early death. You could bring that upon yourself. No matter what you do you will always remain a subject of the king, your lord and master. Carnal or loyal the king is the king, and you can't change that.

    So it is with Christ. He is Lord, and you can't change that, even if you live a carnal life. Christ is not going to deny his own. There is nothing you can do to change the fact that Christ is Lord. It is absurd to think that we can dethrone Christ by any action we do. He will always be Lord, even if we sin. He will never disown us. We are his subjects; citizens of his kingdom. (Phil.3:20).
     
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    From Gods point of view, all of us saved are under Lordship of jesus, but from ours, we need to keep on allowing Him to have more and more access over all areas of our lives?

    he is Lord, but he wants us to daily experience that truth, having it 'applied/worked" into our lives?
     
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    jesus is our Lord in a true sense, but He desires to have us allow that truth to be applied to us on a daily basis!

    To be worked into our lives in a practical/real sense!
     
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    Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


    Luk 19:8,9 And Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor. And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I restore it fourfold." And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham.



    Note that Zacchaeus did not need years of maturity or a 12 week discipleship class to understand that he needed to do exactly what Paul said we all need to do. That is to proclaim Jesus as Lord and to do those things that we know the Lord wants us to do. I doubt Zacchaeus was perfect after this but it is a clear example from scripture of making Jesus Lord. He proclaimed Jesus as Lord and showed his heart on this matter by acting it out in obedience to those things he knew Jesus would have him do.

    Now I have given the clear command from scripture. And I have given a scriptural example of it put to action. Some may continue to debate this issue but there is no room for honest and genuine debate. The issue is clear, settled in scripture and in heaven. And easy for men to understand.
     
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    Jesus is Indeed Lord over ALL christians, by the very nature of us being found 'in Him" now, but we have to grow up and experience Him as the Lord over all aspects of my life as a child of God now...

    jesus is Lord in a theological/truth sense, but desires me to have my life revovle around Him and his will and plans...

    jesus wants me to base ALL my decisions on life on his will and direction, but i still can decide NOT to submit my decisions and lifestyle choice always to him, and he will keep on bringing 'correction" to me in order to get me to see that IO need to include Him in the decision making process all the time!
     
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    Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.
    When I did that, He became Lord of my life. There is nothing that can undo that. The simple gospel is all there is to salvation.
    Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.
    How hard is that to understand?
     
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    3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
     
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    I agree with you on this point...

    Just saying that some of us seem to see this as meaning that we must have jesus has the personal lord over all aspects of our lives in order to show genuine salvation experience...
     
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    And if that is so, then that is a gospel of works, not of grace.
    Salvation is by faith and faith alone. The works come later, and God alone is judge of those works.
     
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    Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

    If Jesus is truly the Lord of your life, you have already presented your body to Him as a living sacrifice, and in this sacrifice, you surrender your will unto Him, and make His will, your will. Or that's how it happened to me. I didn't want my will anymore, but I wanted God's will to be done in my life. When I surrendered all to Him, He then lifted my feet out of the miry clay, placed them on THE ROCK(Jesus), and established my goings.....even put a new song in my mouth, even praises unto God(see my sig).


    God's wants us 100%, and nothing less. Why the need to repent daily, to crucify our flesh daily, if He doesn't want all 100% of us? He knows that we are flesh, and in the flesh dwelleth no good thing, but He sees our souls through the blood of Jesus, and that our soul has been clothed in Jesus' righteousness via the blood.
     
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    First you are asking more then one question. Also you are asking a question that is not really biblical. No place does scripture say we make Jesus Lord of our life. However I would guess that the terminology could mean many things to many people. Jesus is Lord even of the lost and one day they too will bow the knee and confess Him as Lord, but not for the same reason the saved do.

    Let me answer your last question.
    "How much of our life needs to be under His lordship to be really saved?".

    That statement tell me you are not understanding repentance. That is like asking how much of my life needs to be surrendered to one woman to really be married?

    Repentance requires a surrender to God and it is not offered or accepted in payment plans. There is no such thing as partially repenting. We either repent (turn to God) or we do not. At the time of salvation we are coming with all we understand, but we do not understand all there is so while repentance is total the evidence (living above sin) of it is not. As we grow in Christ we find areas of our lives that need to be dealt with but this is not repentance in the strictest sense. This is sanctification. It is not like we tried to come to God knowing we really did not want Him for who He is or we just wanted certain aspects of Him. At salvation we came totally surrendered in spirit in all we understood, and as we walk with the Lord study about His ways and learn what things are displeasing to Him we deal with them. We are totally repentant, but we just do not know all that needs to be dealt with within that repentance.

    Let me give an example. My mother was brutally murdered when I was in my late teens. The man who did it also took his own life. I was so angry at him for what he did because I could get no vengeance. I was actually more angry with him for killing himself then killing my mother because I wanted to kill him.
    This hate carried on into life and I actually became very dangerous to anyone near me. Then in my thirties I accepted the Lord's gift of salvation and I was saved. At salvation I surrendered all as does anyone who is saved or they are not saved. No one turns partly to God and gets saved.

    In my case I knew very little about what it meant to walk with him. In the areas I did know of course those areas were suddenly changed, but there was a lot to learn. In the area of hate I did not know I could not continue to hate this man as it would seem that kind of hate should be acceptable, but it did not take long to learn when reading the bible that we are not to hate anyone. So when I realized what I needed to do I surrendered that hate to the Lord as well. I was already in a state of repentance and that had never changed. I just needed to know what to add to the list of the things to get out of my life.
    So when we are coming to God for salvation repentance is not 50% or 75% or even 99%. It is 100%, but we all come with different levels of understanding of what is and what is not right in the eyes of the Lord.

    The lack of knowledge does not make us any less surrendered/repentant. Our repentance is towrds a Person for who He is and He is Lord. We are not surrendering to a title, but rather a position/authority over our lives.

    The problem is we have not been made aware of all that needs to be dealt with. Once we are made aware if we are truly saved we will deal with the issue since we who are saved can do nothing against the truth, but for it 2Cor 13:18.. It is not possible for a person to be in a state of repentance and in a state of rebellion at the same time and it is not possible to be saved and not be in a state of repentance. Contrary to the false teaching of backsliding.

    So to answer your question our repentance/surrender is total at salvation, but the evidences of that repentance is not finished as we do not know all that is required of us at the moment of salvation. True repentance is a state we enter into and never turned from, with evidence of good deeds which are always being added to because we are saved unto good works Eph 2:10. This is why no Christian can turn back to sinning. Not because of us, but because of Him who lives in us. We are kept, not by ourselves, but by God's Spirit from returning to sinning as a way of life.
    Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
     
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    I lost count of how many of these "lordship vs easy believism" threads I've seen. The above pic is an example of the threads, a hornets nest. I give it 2 pages before it degenerates into an argument.
     
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    As FAL has said one day the scripture says everyone will find that out.

    Philippians 2
    9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
    10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
    11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

    I am an "easy believer" (to believe in Him is the easiest thing I know how to do) but I can and do confess Him as my Lord, even at this very moment and it gives me comfort and joy to know that He is my Lord who loves me. But I didn't make Him Lord of my life, He did.​

    Even when it involves:​

    Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.​

    Well, not while it's happening, of course, but afterwards when the fruit of righteousness comes.​

    HankD​
     
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    This is why I shudder at the term "easy believism", as much prefer "free Grace"

    as I think that some in the LDS camp feel that it means that we hold that one can say I accepted jesus at camp meeting/alter call etc yet have nothing to show any change since that moment forward..

    To me, true conversion is receiving Christ by faith, and being born agaon, regenerated by the act and Will of God, and that WILL rsult in a changed life, something has to have happened, produce evidence of fruit...

    Think big disagrrement is that we would see it as a gradual process, they as immediate and really a big change!
     
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    Read post 279 here. DHK gives a correct answer to how to be saved and it agrees with what Lordship salvation teaches.
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=74368&page=28
     

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