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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by TaliOrlando, May 19, 2009.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable
What do you get from this?
It has to do with God calling out Israel as his chosen people.
The context tells us this. Look at the passage preceding this. A lot of people take this out of context and use it for God calling people to be pastors or things like that.
Marcia's right. The whole chapter is about the Jews and their relationship with God
Verse 5 reminds the Christians in Rome that there is and will be a remnant of Jews. Verse 8 reminds about the prophetic words of David that the Jews will "slumber" for a while. Verse 11 tells those Gentiles that the Jews have stumbled, but not fallen completely and it was to bring the gospel to the Gentiles.
Verse 28 says that it appears that it was good fortune for the Gentiles that the Jews rejected the gospel, but that that Jews are not cut off from God because their are still His beloved. And the whole chapter insinuates that the Gentiles are not to take pleasure nor pride in the Jew's disbelief, but to understand that's how gospel came to them and to understand that Jews still need the gospel.
Your verse in question, verse 29, says that God's calling upon them cannot be take back because God doesn't do that.
The specific application of the verse is regarding the Jews, but the principle established in the verse is universal. So it is also a great eternal security verse.
When God gives us his gift of salvation, it means that he will not take it back.
Even though the verse is a wrap up of a testimony about Israel's calling it is still one of those universal promises from God that stands on it's own. Once God gives a gift, He will not and cannot take it back, ELSE it was not truly a gift and God be found a liar.
"Your verse in question, verse 29, says that God's calling upon them cannot be take back because God doesn't do that"
Exactly! It would be out of God's character to give a gift and then take it away. Any gift. Verse 29 is a promise from God concerning gifts. All gifts.
Marcia, where in the passage does Paul speak about Israel receiving a "gift"?
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you"Jews": but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. I believe this is what Paul meant. John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:12 BUT as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name::type:
Paul, in Romans 6, said "the gift of God is eternal life." A gift which is not recalled.
It's "gifts." The word is "charisma," which means an umerited blessing or favor. It also means "grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit."
The previous passage does not have to have the word "gifts" in it for it to be mentioned here. Rom. 11 is part of a long passage that begins in Rom. 9.
The Bible in Basic English renders it:
Because God's selection and his mercies may not be changed.
Here is one comment:
Gill says this:
Some as above think the "gifts" may refer to something in the future.
Amen and Amen and Amen Marcia! :thumbs:
All three of your references support just what Tom and I said. Any and all gifts from God are irrevocable. Now just because a person becomes a pastor does not equate to God gifted that person to be a pastor. True gifts from God will not be revoked. (Ro 11:29)
God is not sorry for his gifts to and calling of the Jews.