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What establishes your hermeneutics?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Isaiah40:28, Oct 24, 2007.

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  1. Isaiah40:28

    Isaiah40:28 New Member

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    I'm not familiar with the authors you mentioned, but then again, it's not a topic I have purposefully read up on. I've just gathered bits and pieces along the way.
    So far the only book I've read anything from is Walter Kaiser, Jr., Toward an Exegetical Theology.
     
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    I forgot you asked this.
    I haven't read these articles by Mark Dever myself yet, but I know that many on the blogs and forums I frequent did and really enjoyed them.
    Here's a link to them all which starts at the top with Part 10.
    Scroll down to the bottom until you find where Part 1 begins.
    http://blog.9marks.org/whered_all_these_calvanists_come_from/index.html
     
    #82 Isaiah40:28, Oct 25, 2007
  3. npetreley

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    That's pretty good stuff. I especially liked this...

     
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  4. Amy.G

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    Thank you! :wavey:
     
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  5. TCGreek

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    This quote is too heavy and majestic for non-Calvinists to really appreciate, for they continue to accuse us of painting an evil picture of God. But look at that awe-inspiring quote!
     
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    Thank you for allowing little non majestic 'ole me for gracing the presence of such majestic calvinists with such awe inspiring vast wisdom and knowledge.

    BARF!!!:BangHead:

    The pride on here is truly amazing!
     
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  7. tinytim

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    Feel free to use it anyway you want...
    And the numbers were arbitrary... The point is, they needed to work through all of them before trying to applying it to their lives....

    Amy, Npet, and all others.. why don't you take some controversial passage like Romans 9 and work through it with my work sheet...

    It may open your eyes to something, or confirm others....
     
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  8. TCGreek

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    What you call pride is our exultation in the sovereignty of God and what it means for our eternal salvation.
     
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    I call it pride. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

    This may come as a surprise to you ...but calvinists aren't the only ones to believe in the sovereignty of God...and get this...even when it comes to "our" salvation :eek:
     
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  10. npetreley

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    Bologna. If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision. Any attempt to position it otherwise is nothing but meaningless babble.
     
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    :laugh: Gotta love how WE tell God how His sovereignty has to be!

    Now THAT is a very salty deli meat ... and infant speech!
     
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  12. TCGreek

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    Ditto, my friend.

    And, so Calvinists sing like Jonah, "Salvation is of the Lord," for we cannot improve this profound truth of Scripture.
     
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    Non cal's sing the same song. The problem lies when calvinists think they hold the rights to God's sovereignty as expressed by... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision."

    I say God is sovereign EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty? :laugh:
     
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  14. npetreley

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    You changed the point. You conveniently left out "in that decision" in your statement. Say this, instead:

    "I say God is sovereign in that decision EVEN IF He left the decision up to us. Who is limiting God's sovereignty?"

    If you really believe that, you have no idea what sovereignty means.
     
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  15. TCGreek

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    1. But get this: He has not left it up to us!

    2. Those who think God has left it up to us continue to sing the last line of Just As I Am over ten times at their meetings, attempting a response.

    3. But none would geniunely come until the Lord opens the heart (Acts 16:14).
     
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    I didn't leave anything out of my statment... I know what I meant to say.

    It's amazing you don't see... "If He leaves the decision up to you, He is not sovereign in that decision." ...as limiting God's sovereignty!
     
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    'smatter doggy? Not so quick to shoot off your mouth now? Just go ahead and say it. After all, it's impossible for you to be wrong even when you are wrong. Here, I'll say it for you:

    "I say God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign."

    There. Now you can feel like you got the last word and you were right all along.
     
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    Get this...He has!
    Typical calvinist stereotype answer...and wrong!
    Bingo! Something we agree on!
     
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    So that's what you believe? That if God leaves a decision up to you, He's still sovereign in that decision? No problem -- I said it for you more directly.

    "God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And if you say otherwise, you are limiting God's sovereignty."

    :laugh:
     
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  20. TCGreek

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    1. If the Lord is the one who opens the heart of the sinner, How can you say Bingo? Doesn't this prove the Sovereignty of God in salvation?

    2. Without God opening the heart of the sinner, the sinner can do NOTHING of his/her own. Sovereignty means that it is all of God.
     
    #100 TCGreek, Oct 25, 2007
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