What happened to expository preaching

Amen, Jim - I like what he said.

Sister Ann - let me preface my comments with the following statement:

It is impossible to offend a Spirit-filled believer. If you are not Spirit-filled, and you disagree with what I am about to say, the evidence of that will be that you will get angry with me. Believe me, I've seen it more than once - Satan will do ANYTHING to keep God's people from discovering what TRUE worship is all about (hint: it focuses on the WORD), and if helping you get mad at me in order to prevent you from seeing the truth works, then so much the better for him.

SO > if you aren't sure you're Spirit-filled, PLEASE do NOT read what comes next, because in NO sense am I trying to offend you or make you made.

Fair enough?

OK - I warned you.

Now, here goes -

You're making some incorrect assumptions:

1. All music is NOT rhythm-based. In reality, while all music does have rhythm, not all music has rhythm as its main, or dominant component.

Some music has melody as its dominant component, and is, therefore, melody-based.

Some music has harmony as its dominant component, and is, therefore, harmony-based.

And some music has rhythm as its dominant component, and is, therefore, rhythm-based.

Melody-based music feeds the spiritual side of our being most, our mind less, and our flesh even less.

Harmony-based music feeds the mind most, the spiritual, not so much, but the flesh more than melody-based music does.

Rhythm-based music feeds the flesh first and foremost, the mind to a small degree, and the spiritual side of our makeup starves and grows weak.

2. You assume that I don't like rhythm-based music.

It's not that I don't like rhythm-based music - I do! But the part of me (and you, too) that likes it is my flesh, and I have enough problems with it than to go off feeding it T-bone steak!

Our music must focus on feeding our spiritual side, and, therefore, our music must have the melody - which speaks to our spirit - as the dominant characteristic/element of any music we listen to as Christians, be it sacred or secular (hate those terms, by the way).

The principle of balance in our lives and presented in Scripture is not that we allow equal amounts of nourishment, if you please, to be given to our spirit, mind, and flesh, but that we counter the effects of the fall by limiting the access our fleshly nature has to carnal, flesh-strengthening things, and feed our spirits and our minds with the Word of God as much as we can to counter the effects of the flesh.

Those who prefer flesh-building music, no matter what the words, are accepting Satan's counterfeit for the filling of the Holy Spirit - they equate the feeling they get from the music to the filling of God's Spirit, and, as I have said before, if God doesn't open their eyes to it, they will spend the rest of their lives deluded into believing they are Spirit-filled, when, in reality, Satan has duped them!

I spent many years as a church sound system designer/installer/system operator, as well as a minister of music - believe me when I tell you: most of what people in most contemporary "worship" services are responding to is NOT the Holy Spirit of God, but is, in reality a fleshly response to the counterfeit Satan has foisted upon them as genuine.

Now do a little checking up - are you angry?

I hope not, but if so, consider that it is impossible to offend a Spirit-filled believer...

One last thing - have you or your husband done an exhaustive study of what the Bible teaches about music?

No offenses intended - just asking...

 

Todd,

Bill Gothard called. He wants his blather back.

Nice parroting. You are aware you are not sharing from Biblical truth, but from Greek philosophy, hmm?

Sorry...are you angry?

I always find it humorous when someone posts along the lines of "now don't get offended, because God told me this, and you need to hear it."

Anyhoo...carry on.

 

And our closing song shall be:

Rock me baby.............

Cheers,

Jim

 

Posts like these make me wonder if any sanity remains in Christianity.

If that statement offends you, I suppose you aren't Spirit-filled, according to your post.

:laugh:

 

Interesting - in a thread about expository preaching not a word of Bible to back up your theory. Do you have any Bible evidence that rhythm dominated music is Satan's fleshly counterfeit?

 

It's so funny when people place their opinions about musical style on the same level as the authority of Scripture.

Friend, where is your Biblical evidence to back up your opinion?

And, if I, as a Believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit, have a different opinion, who are you to say that I am wrong?

And what does any of this have to do with expository preaching?

 

OK, well, I knew that some folks would get upset...not sure how to take the insults, but I'm definitely not offended.

Let me try to briefly answer each one of you who posted -

rbell said:

Response:

I didn't get anything that I shared from Bill Gothard - in fact, the fellow who originally shared these concepts with me was Robert Wagoner, then Minister of Music at the First Baptist Church of Springdale, Arkansas (that was a LONG time ago).

However, the fellow that spelled it all out for me in great detail from the Bible (Robert gave me an overview) was Dr. Frank Garlock. For those of you who don't know, he is a graduate of Bob Jones University and has been in the field of Church Music for over 40 years. His wife is also from my home state of Oklahoma!

Just because someone besides oneself shares a position, be it political, economic, or what have you, doesn't mean you are parroting him or he is parroting you. It just means you believe something that someone else believes.

Further, rbell said:

Response:

Even if I were, which may or may not be the case - you just threw out an accusation, just because the Greeks understood a truth that is also taught in the Bible doesn't make the fact that it's in the Bible wrong, sinful, or untrue.

Then rbell said:

Response:

I didn't say that - please don't put words in my mouth.

What I said was that it is impossible for a Spirit-filled believer to be offended, and, that it has been my experience when sharing what the Bible says about music that some people get offended at the message, usually because they haven't given that area of their life over to God and they love that sound more than they love God.

StefanM wrote:

Response:

I'm sorry you feel that way - would you please elaborate? What part of anything I wrote seems to indicate insanity? I tried to lay things out, in a general sense, very carefully.

Lastly, C4K wrote:

Response:

Yes, but I didn't feel it appropriate to put it here due to the actual topic originally posted. Nor did I feel that space would allow it. I can send you all the biblical passages to back it up, if you'd like.

SBCPreacher wrote:

Response:

I'm not giving my opinion - I'm sharing my conviction that God gave me when I was a teenager. It was only when I was in college that I was shown the biblical passages that confirmed that conviction.

SBCPreacher then wrote:

Response:

Already answered that. Perhaps we should start a new topic. ?

Then he wrote:

Response:

Now you're reading into what I said - I never said that someone who disagrees with me is wrong.

Followed by:

Response:

Well, it fits, in a very broad sense, because someone way back )was it Bro. Jim?) brought up the fact that a great preacher of the past had lamented that the preaching of the Word was taking a back seat to the music portion of church services.


Not angry in the least, but I am kind of surprised at the snydeness of some of the comments, though...

 

I haven't been following this thread but I found something this morning that I thought y'all might find interesting. Notice this ladies' comments about sermons:

And apparently that's the way she likes it. A candid look into the mind of the contemporary christian.

You can read this rest of it here: http://playingchurch.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/long-sermons/

I'm sure she's a nice lady so do me a favor and let's not leave any nasty comments on her blog.

Edit: Looking around that web site, I see that she is pretty perceptive in spite of her preference for fable-sermons.

 

I would love to see a thread giving the Bible basis for rhythm based music being Satan's tool to satisfy the flesh. That would be very helpful.

 

Roger wrote:

I have to go to Dallas in a few minutes, but when I get back, I'll PM you about it - want to do things the right way, and, having never started a thread here, I don't want to do so the wrong way.

Pray for me as I drive back in tonight's thunderstorms, if you don't mind...

 

Todd offers lots of responses, but still no Scriptural background. Circular arguments, at its best:

There's an important ingredient missing. C4K alluded to it. I'll see if you can pick it up.

(BTW, Gothard got his info from Garlock. If you could trace it all the way back to its source, you would find the source is Pythagorean thought, not Scripture.)

 

Please refer future music discussions through this thread

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=57362

and keep this thread on topic.

 

Stay on topic, SBCPreacher. We're arguing about the KJV and the 100% fact that those who preach from all other versions can't preach expositorily :tonofbricks:

IMO, the music should lift up Christ. If it fails to do that, I won't listen to it.

BTW, SBC, where can I listen to some of your sermons?

 

Stay on topic, SBCPreacher. We're arguing about the KJV and the 100% fact that those who preach from all other versions can't preach expositorily

I know you are being sarcastic (which I believer you are) because if you are not I'd like for you to back this statement up with fact and not opinion.

 

Get off my back!
I don't need to "support statements" and "demonstrate rational thought" or "display a command of the ability to use logic and argument principles"! Those are EVIL man-made tools the devil uses to ensnare us into going to buy non-KJV translations! Why, everyone KNOWS that the KJV is the only inspired Word and that means that all other versions prior to it weren't. C'mon!


Yes. Sarcasm is my middle name.

However, SBCPreacher, I'd like to hear a few more of your sermons please.