What happens if a christian deliberately sins?

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  1. xdisciplex

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    Does this mean that such sins will not be forgiven?
    Does this mean that the only sins which a christian may do, which can also be forgiven, are sins which happen accidentally? :confused:
    Sins where there is no time between being tempted and sinning, but sins which simply happen?
    But if you are first tempted to sin and then you're wrestling with the temptation and then give in then you basically decide to give in, right? Because if you didn't decide to give in you also wouldn't sin. But as soon as you decide that you'll give in then doesn't it become deliberate in this moment? Does this not mean that most of the sins which we do are deliberate sins? Or do you really never give in to any kind of temptations and the only sins which you do are sins which happen in an instant?
     
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    If you don't go to a Baptist church and begin to be discipled - you go straight to the lake of fire . . . .

    Seriously, if you were being discipled - you would not need to troll around and get advice that blows you around like the wind.
     
  3. TaterTot

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    David deliberately sinned. After he was convicted and repented, God restored him to Himself and to service. God still used Him, but David had consequences that probably haunted him the rest of his life.
     
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    Yes, that's right. Good example. I simply got scared because some christians do as if they never deliberately sin. I cannot say that I have never deliberately sinned. :(
     
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    you never haved? What about disobeying those placed in charge of you? You say you obey everything your government tells you to do? Do you consciously drive over the speed limit? If you do, then you are disobeying those placed over you.
     
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    IM, I think you misunderstood xdisciplex's statement - by saying "I cannot say that I have NEVER deliberately sinned", he is saying that he has. We all have, even though I have heard people imply that after becoming a Christian, they dont sin anymore. Thats just plain "hogwarsh".
     
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    Sometimes you gots to do something even if it is wrong.
     
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    Firstly, is this person in the service? Secondly, if this person disobeys an order, then he/she will be given the punishment for it. Thirdly, after becoming a Christian;we've all sinned and have come short in the Glory of God. Seeing this person did it for whatever reason, then it's between God and this person; only God knows your heart and if you're going to repent or not...Amen????...:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Disciple,

    For a Biblical understanding of Sanctification and Mortification of Sin in the Believers, please read Romans 7 and 8.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    With everyone sinning and deliberatlley sinning could you maybe tell me the difference between a saved person and an unsaved person? I mean to not be a sinner is hogwash I would like to know if you are any different than the worldly person.
     
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    There are those that claim and via scripture say that it is impossible to sin after being saved.
     
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    But Romans 7 and 8 aren't clear. For example the christians argue about who the carnal man is. Is it Paul BEFORE his conversion? Is it a religious person which struggles and struggles and never succeeds? Or is this person already a christian? This is the problem. :(

    I think a worldly person doesn't even feel bad when she sins, because she doesn't even know what sin is, or does she? I don't know. But there were things which also made me feel guilty before I was a christian, does this mean that an unsaved person could still suffer from sin and struggle with it? This is exactly the Romans 7 problem with the carnal person.

    Can a born again christian be carnal? I mean how do you define carnal?
    How do I know if I am carnal or not or wether it's "only" my flesh? And what if I am carnal? Does this mean I'm not even a christian? :(
     
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    Point 1: Brother, assuming we as christians are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Point 2: We are no longer under the Law of the Old Testament, so the death mentioned above does not translate in to the Old Mosaic Law Death Penalty. This death whatever it is, is not the Death Penalty. Maybe it's the death that cuts us off from God's saving grace.

    Point 3: John says there are two kinds of sin at least.

    A: Deadly Sin : There is a sin unto death

    B: NonDeadly Sin : there is a sin not unto death
     
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    A sin unto death?? :eek::eek::eek:
     
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    The sin unto death is total and complete rejection of the Holy Spirit. It is when you turn Christ away for the last time.


    Romans Chapter 7 is dealing with the conflict between the sinful nature of the flesh and the redeemed nature. A Christian does not lose his fleshly nature until he dies, but when he is saved he is indwelt by the Holy Spirit giving him a new nature.


    Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.
    Rom 7:15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
    Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
    Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
    Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
    Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
    Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
    Rom 7:21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
    Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
    Rom 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
    Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
    Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.



    The Pharisee below does not have a new nature only a fleshly one, thus the pride, arrogance and self-righteousness. The tax collector realizes he is a sinner and realizes his sinfulness and his inability to conquer it. A conflict similar to that in Romans Chapter 7 and in every Christians life.


    Luk 18:10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
    Luk 18:11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
    Luk 18:12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.'
    Luk 18:13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!'
    Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
     
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    A "sin unto death" is when a believer keeps sinning or can't seem to get out of it (like not kicking a drug habit, for example), so God takes you home.

    Paul mentions this in Corinthians when the Corinthians were being irreverent at the Lord's Supper, and Paul said that because of this, some were sick and some were "sleeping." This is a reference to death of believers.

     
  17. FERRON BRIMSTONE

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    Marcia could be right, many see it that way. However I think it is talking about the same thing as Mark 3:22-30 and in Matthew 12:31-32.

    Mat 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
    Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.


    Mar 3:28 "Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
    Mar 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--


    In this case it would be talking of an eternal death.
     
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    So what is sin that is not unto death?
     
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    This scares me!
    Does this mean that if I don't overcome habitual sins then I'll die? :eek::eek:
    But this doesn't make it easier for me. Simply being scared of sinning doesn't mean that resisting sin becomes easier. :(
     
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    so far no one has disputed that there are varying degrees of sin with at least there being two types.

    Sin that is unto death
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    Sin that is not unto death.
     

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