what Happens To a Christian that refuses To confess/repent of Sins Before God?

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  1. JesusFan

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    Know that we cannot lose our salvation, but in a practical sense, do they experience ANY spiritual effects here and now?
     
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    The Wesleyan Arminians (not Classic Arminians) say that this is what causes a Christian to be in danger of losing his salvation even though he still believes. Wesleyan Arminians believe the committing of sins do not cause a Christian to lose his salvation, long time resistance to the conviction of the Holy Spirit does.

    I know this is not what the OP had in mind. It is just provided as related information.

    Now back to assuming a Christian cannot lose his salvation.
     
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    Paul told the Corinthian church that some of the members died because they came to the fellowship of sacrament in sin.

    There is a certain quenching of the Holy Spirit that the sinning believer experiences. When that quenching takes place, the leading and the blessings on the believer are pretty much restricted. The person is left to their own devices, and it won't take long before the carnal nature begins to supersede (supplant) the spiritual.

    There is also the natural rebuke that accompanies sin. For instance, a person can become diseased, or loose authority in the community, or loose family ties and relationships. A person can be "overtaken" in a fault (addicted) and held under the power of that fault.

    The Holy Spirit is as a tender dove. It doesn't screech, nor does it force its way, but compels one to be humble and submissive to Christ.

    When that humility and submission are not evident, there is a loss of fellowship not only with God but with spiritual men. Remember Peter was rebuked before the whole assembly by Paul.

    Interesting question!
     
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    Can't happen! A person refusing to confess and repent is not a Christian.
     
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    There are circumstances where I believe that God will simply kill a believer who persists in sin, or commits a sin that leads to death.

    I John 5:16 "There is a sin unto death..."
    Acts 5:1-10 Ananias and Saphira were struck dead.
    I Cor 11 God killed those who took the Lord's Supper in an unworthy manner.
     
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    Amen!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
  7. JesusFan

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    So a christian that sins needs to confess that sin to God in order to be restored?
     
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    A Christian does not need to be restored.
     
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    They need to be restored to fellowship, not salvation.
     
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    The fellowship restortion is with other believers not the Lord. A Christian never loses fellowship with the Lord.
     
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    Wrong! The CHRISTIAN in Corinth was restored. The CHRISTIANS who abused the Lord's table died.
     
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    What Christian? Give the verse
     
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    1Cor. 5; 2Cor. 2
     
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    Those verses do not say what you said. In 1 Cor 5 the person is most likely lost not saved. In 2 Cor 2 letter we have no idea who is being spoken about. However what we do know with reasonable certainty is that they are to take the person back. That is a restoration to the fellowship of believers not to God. If the person was saved they never lost fellowship with God. If it were possible and it is not for a believer to lose fellowship with God another person could not restore that fellowship for them. Come on!
     
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    Once I spoke about my going for a few days or so without sin, the audience applauded.

    Unfortunately, my wife was the next speaker.
     
  16. Robert Snow

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    Wrong again. He was a Christian and he repented and returned to God. Then he had fellowship with his brethren.
     
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    1. The bible does not say whether the man returned or not, it merely tells the church how to treat him. We don't know the end of the story.

    2. The language of "returned to God" could be problematic. "Repented" would be a more biblically correct term. FAL is correct that it is impossible for a true believer to "leave" God, or God to "leave" the believer. While I would be more open to saying our experience of "fellowship" with God can be disrupted than FAL is, I think we would be in agreement on the main Idea that The relationship is maintained by God's spirit in us.
     
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    Well your bible may have more verses in it then mine, but mine does not say what you say it says.
     
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    Believe what you want to, but it's there, you just don't want to see it.

    I guess we will just disagree on what this means, like we disagree on the meaning of 1Jn. 3:9.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     

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