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what has happened to so many baptist?

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  1. massdak

    massdak Active Member
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    why do you not follow in the
    The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith?

    why has so many changed their doctrine?
    so many universalist here and evolutionist so many liberal compromisers, many of you disappoint me, it is discouraging to read some of the post and reply's and this is the baptist board it doesn't resemble the 1689 confession
     
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  2. Johnv

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    Because the only thing Baptists are doctrinally required to adhere to are the core Christian doctrines and the Baptist Distinctives. The 1689 BCF is not a matter of doctrine.

    Well, maybe for you it is....
     
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    Is that the one where they decided it was a sin to go swimming less than an hour after you eat?
     
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    I didn't realise that there was one defining Baptist document??

    Is that our standard, or is it the Book?
     
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    The Southern Baptist Convention has adopted as our Doctrine of Faith the Baptist Faith and Message 2000---the document is as doctrinally sound as any thing I've read-----to write the document I am led to believe that the Doctrinal Committee held themselves up next to the Lord Jesus Christ and just started writing!!

    Massdak---if you PM me with your snail mail address I can mail you a copy or you can get it online at

    www.sbc.net

    Just click on the tab titled Baptist Faith and Message

    This Baptist Faith and Message 2000 Document committee was composed of some of the wisest Southern Baptist leaders of all time---theological "Einstein's"
    Blackbird
     
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  6. massdak

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    what differences do you notice between the two documents?
     
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  7. Me2

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    Such as offering Matt 25:46 and create the doctrine of eternal torment out of thin air.

    They should have left the parables alone if they couldn't interpret them correctly
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    [ June 18, 2004, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
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  8. massdak

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    you will not be the first one to complain of Gods justice and judgments
    but denying them is not productive
     
    #8 massdak, Jun 17, 2004
  9. Me2

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    fear and intimidation are poor moral boosters also.
     
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    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
     
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  11. rsr

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    The London Confession is an important document about Baptist beliefs, although it was largely plagiarized from the Presbyterians.

    It is not the only, or the earliest, Baptist confession. (See the Standard Confession of 1660). And while the Philadelphia Confession very much follows the London Confession, the New Hampshire Confession (upon which the Baptist Faith and Message is modeled) is a very different document in its view of soteriology.
     
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    I like the 1644/46 London Confession--solid, while free of Presbyterianism
     
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  13. rsr

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    And before that, the Helwys Confession.

    BTW, I agree the 1644/66 Lond Confession is much more a truly Baptist Document than the 1689 Confession. There are passages of pure eloquence:

     
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  14. Jeffrey H

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    massdak,

    There's a reformed baptist website I sometimes visit that I think you would enjoy. They are very friendly toward the 1689 Confession. They have a discussion board that will be more in line with your convictions. It's not near as active as the BB, but it's more focused and folks tend to stay on topic.

    The Reformed Reader

    --Jeff
     
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    Becasue of the nature of Baptists they won't agree on anything ;)

    Personally I hold to the LBC of 1689. Was a lot of it copied from Westminster? No doubt, and a good thing they did to because Westminster has a lot of things right in it!

    Personally, being a Refromed Baptist, I can say I have more in common with Presbyterians most of the time then with some people who call themselves Baptists. James White has said the same thing.

    I think it's only a matter of time before "Baptist" doctrine becomes so varied that the term will mean nothing. I don't think thats news to anyone, look at The Downgrade Contervoursey. Look at all the splits that happen. When I meet people they continually tell me I'm not a typical Baptists. Well I should hope not since there isn't really a typical Baptist! I'm a Reformed Baptists, I have more in common with the Refromed faith then I have with some who call themselves Baptist.

    Now I wouldn't say as has been said in this thread already that there are some documents that are "truly Baptist Document" and others that are not that Baptists use. The fact is that the LCB is a Baptist document, agree with it or not. The Reformed faith seems to have fallen by the wayside amoung Baptists so it's not a popular document. It's what I hold to, it's what I beleive the bible teaches and it makes me a Baptist.

    Bryan
    SDG
     
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  16. rsr

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    There is also the Founders movement within the SBC which seeks to return to explicitly Reformed theology. It is based on the Abstract of Principles of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary:

    ABSTRACT OF PRINCIPLES
     
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  17. Squire Robertsson

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    Me2 wrote:
    The only "Christian" alternatives, two of which are considered heresy, I can think of, are:</font>
    • Purgetory-as classicly taught by the Roman Catholic Church.</font>
    • Annialation-as classicly taught by the Jehovah Wittnesses.</font>
    • Universalism-as classicly taught by the Unitarians.</font>
    Me2 charged that using Matthew 25:46 to teach eternal punishment is a misuse and mis-interpertation of the portion of Scripture. Eternal punishment of the unsaved is a foundational doctrine of the Christian faith. While I agree one should not read into parables more than what they contain nor should one try to make every detail of a parable mean something. (The donkey in the parable of the Good Samaritan was there to carry the wounded man, not to put a sacred imprimature on bus ministries.) If one follows as I do the hermanutical principle of
    the portion of Matthew 25 under discussion plainly teachs eternal punishment of the unsaved. I don't know how this portion could have any other interpertation.
     
    #17 Squire Robertsson, Jun 18, 2004
  18. massdak

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    massdak,

    There's a reformed baptist website I sometimes visit that I think you would enjoy. They are very friendly toward the 1689 Confession. They have a discussion board that will be more in line with your convictions. It's not near as active as the BB, but it's more focused and folks tend to stay on topic.

    The Reformed Reader

    --Jeff     </font>[/QUOTE]thank you jeff i will check it out
     
    #18 massdak, Jun 18, 2004
  19. Bugman

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    Or might also want to try Puritian Board It's open to Reformed Folk, Baptist or not which means everyone on there holds to either the LCB 1689, Westminster, or the 3FU. It can be an interesting palce...

    Bryan
    SDG
     
    #19 Bugman, Jun 19, 2004
  20. Major B

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    Bugman,

    The forum color scheme makes it difficult to read at best, and they are not currently registering new people.
     
    #20 Major B, Jun 19, 2004
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