What has happened to "Thus saith the LORD?

oops, I double posted

 

That is not true. I have never said that. TO the contrary, I have said the opposite. One reason that I reject that KJVO is because hte Bible doesn't say it. You are the one who apparenlty thinks that the Bible is irrelevant. You have ignored what it says and added to what it says.

No I don't. This is yet more evidence that you don't even understand what you are talking about.

 

Really? If so then how do you get by the fact that the KJV uses one word to translate two words in our discussion on hell? That makes either God's inspired original or the KJV significantly less than 99% accurate on those doctrinally significant words.

The KJV is at best 50% accurate on the age of Ahaziah when he began to reign. The KJV is 100% inaccurate each time it uses the phrase "God forbid" in Romans. Neither of those words appear in any original language text.

When I said 99%, I made clear that I was talking about the words used originally. I went on to say that 100% of the message of the originals was preserved to us. I have no problems with those odds when dealing with my soul.

 

According to this logic, the KJV translators were also one of many stubborn donkeys as well. After all, King James was dissatisfied with the Geneva and Bishop's Bible and showed that dissatisfaction by making a "Rules of Translation" directive for the AV translators, stubborn church-and-state monarch that he was. In fact you just might get burned at the stake for opposing his church-and-state "ecclesiastic" (Dissenter's/Anabaptists label for the AV) Bible. If you were lucky you would get away with a life sentence or have your ears cut off (one of his favorite atrocities for Baptists) by this stubborn individual.

HankD

 

Man, I only joined the board a few weeks ago and it seems like so many threads end up in a KJV vs. MV debate. Isn't there a thread for this debate already on here. Is anybody actually going to win the debate. Doubtful. The topic of this thread was what happened to "thus saith the Lord".

Personally, I agree with others that many pastors are afraid to really "Preach the Word". They stay away from subjects that might "offend" people. 15 minute feel good sermons are the order of the day for many. No call to living a christian life that would be pleasing to our God, and might actually require some discipline and restraint on our part. Some won't even speak out against homosexuality, abortion, modest dress etc... How many people wouldn't come back if the preacher spoke about modesty and that those cleavage-revealing tight shirts might not be the best testimony or example a christian woman can emit to the unsaved, or even to the daughters in the youth group! How dare he!

Not to get on my soap box...(sorry)...just don't like to see churches water things down just to get more members. That is one of the reasons I love my church and pastor. The truth is preached in each message. Is our church perfect, of course not. Is there a perfect church? Whenever I hear somebody in the church complaining about something, I try and remind them that we are all human and nobody is perfect, yes, not even the pastor!

By the way,
my church uses the KJV as its "standard" so that everbody has the same thing for SS and Church. My pastor believes that it is the best translation... I happen to like the NKJV and the NASB which I use exclusively. Does he preach that the KJV is the only inspired Word of God, No. He will sometimes use a phrase like "another translation puts it like this" then go on to read a verse from another translation. My church also doesn't particularly care for CCM music citing that it is too conforming to the world and such. Do I listen to CCM, Yes, I like it and think much of it is edifying and uplifting and glorifying to God.
My point is, although I don't agree with absolutely 100% of the way things are done at church, it still preaches the Word of God faithful and true, and that is the most important standard for me.


Todd

 

Hi av1611jim,

You requested:

These historic facts have been documented many times here at the BB by more than one poster. You can scan the BB.

Here is a starting place where these things can be verified with the publications cited:

http://www.tegart.com/brian/bible/kjvonly/rick/influence.html

HankD

 

Todd,

Welcome to the Baptist Board! Thank you for sharing with us.

 

Dear av1611jim,

Just to set the record straight (to quote a cliche), I drudged up this dirt on King James and the KJV translators in the past just to try to even out the ledger when the KJVO started a character assassination of Wescott and Hort.

Or, in other words "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (W&H, King James, the KJV translators,etc, etc...)

Amazingly, one KJVO Look-a-like prefered the King James actual bloodshed and atrocities as a lesser moral evil than the supposed "seances" of W&H (or so we were told).

HankD

 

The proof is in the pudding. </font>[/QUOTE]Finally, you have said something I can agree with, and the KJV makes some mighty fine pudding!

 

Wow, it only took 6 posts to inject false doctrine into the thread. </font>[/QUOTE]This is a good example of how this board is constantly becoming more and more hostile to the KJV. You called believing in KJVO as a "false doctrine." This clearly implies that those who hold to it are not saved. This is a clearly against the rules, yet no moderator has bothered to edit your posting. In another thread I was edited because I insinuated that another member did not believe the Word of God. Only one word will describe this: Hypocrisy!

 

What?! Being saved does not depend on having everything correct doctrinally.

 

I believe 'thus saith the Lord' flew out the window when folks began to teach [not from any particular version] but from their own wills that God wants to save people, if they will only let him.

I believe the desire to be saved from sin, but necessarily out from sin is foreign to any version of the Word of God.

I believe this desire to be saved from the consequence of sin is attracting alot of people, sometime when you have nothing to do look up and read the experience of B.H. Carroll, one of my favorites.

No issue over versions found there, just lack of the power of holiness.

 

Nobody I've seen has tried to invalidate someones salvation because they use the KJV only. They have however attacked the doctrine of KING JAMES VERSION ONLY, because, it IS a false doctrine. It isn't taught by scripture from the past, by the KJV itself, or from the MV's. There is no one version that is taught to be the word of God. Those who take the position of KJVO neglect their own background, their Bible being one of many English versions, based on those English versions that came before it. Even the translators didn't elevate it to the position KJVO's elevate it to today.

AVL1984

 

After eight pages, I thought we ought to refresh our memories of the original question.

Bro. Dallas

 

Thus saith the Lord: Thou shalt not debate the KJVO issue in this forum.

Thus saith the Lord: "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers."

Thus saith the Lord: The Bible is your sole authority for proclaiming "Thus saith the Lord."

 

Frogman,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm one of those legalistic Baptists that believe that Christ died to save us from sin, and that salvation from hell is a consequence.

 

In my above post I wrote:

I meant:

I believe the desire to be saved from sin, but not necessarily out from sin is foreign to any version of the Word of God.

Spurgeon preached a message on this, I tried to post the link, but it goes to the home page of the Spurgeon Archive and not directly to the message. But the title of the message is Thus Saith the Lord and can be found under his sermons at the Spurgeon Archive I think www.spurgeon.org will work. If not let me know.

Here is the link if anyone wishes to try:

Spurgeon


Bro. Dallas


[ September 24, 2004, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]

 

It ceased with the last Apostle circa 90AD.

HankD