What if God were to save no one?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by humblethinker, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. humblethinker

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    A thought experiment: Today, God reveales to you in a way you can't deny that he is saving no one.

    What difference would it make for you personally? Would you still worship and adore him? Still trust him?
     
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    He would still be God and therefore worthy of all praise, honor, and glory.
     
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    If that be true, then why did God create us at all?? ...Thus the "Great Experiment" failed.

    I would worship God even if his "Big Bang" failed.

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    ALL will bow down and confess jesus is Lord, regardless sinner/saint!
     
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    Good news is cannot happen, for jesus death paid for those whom God would and will save thru it!
     
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    I'm already saved of course I would still worship and love Him and give Him Praise. Once eternal life is given it's a done deal.
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    Maybe it'd be the time to try and do as Moses, or Abraham!

    9 And Jehovah said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
    10 now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
    11 And Moses besought Jehovah his God, and said, Jehovah, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, that thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? Ex 32

    20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
    21 I will go down now, and see
    whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
    22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah.
    23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked? Gen 18
     
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    What difference would it make for you personally?
    All the difference in the World...My reaction would be anger and defiance. A volitional being who is not even possibly a party to grace would be like Lucifer and all his fallen angels...Now at enmity with God (actually, that would assume that we all still ARE in such a state to begin with...) One cannot speak from a standpoint of one who (being saved) is no longer at enmity with God, and realistically answer that question. Since the question assumes that you are already in and are irretrievably at enmity with him. That is the only reasonable answer I think anyone can give. I don't think we (who are saved) can have a "personal" reference point from which to argue.

    Would you still worship and adore him?

    Absolutely not....Any Calvinist (btw) who would debate this would be defeating their own Theology right and left. These answers are, and should be, self-evident and un-debated.

    Still trust him?
    Trust him to do what, precisely? Make good on his promise to eternally torture all of us whom he has presumably chosen to pre-condemn? I suppose I would "trust" his intent then, to do such a nasty thing.....But if we need "saving"....then we are already lost, and at enmity with him. And if he has already revealed that he has chosen to save "no one" then we are all screwed....We don't "trust" him to do anything....other than to subsequently react as any "enemy" reacts...which is to say, seek our destruction. If, by this, you mean to "trust" that he would mean us "good"...then no, absolutely not, because he wouldn't, by definition. God treats his enemies harshly.
     
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    As wicked, vile, evil, and self-serving this world is with CHRISTians in it, could y'all imagine how much worse this world would be w/o us in it?
     
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    Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.
     
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    If God revealed that to me, that no one would be saved, then I would have to conclude that the Bible is a book of myths, no better than the Book of Mormon. I would like to think that I would still worship and adore Him as Creator, and be thankful that He gave me life here on earth. Now, if no one is saved to eternal life, since the Bible is no longer a valid book, do we, upon death, go into oblivion, or do we all end up in the Lake of Fire. The whole senario negates every principle we now know.

    If you mean by the question, would I start a 24 hour a day party of wine, women, every other sin, no, not really. I am quite content to live the way I do now. I guess my prayer to the Lord would be for Him to change His mind and save me despite His revelation.

    I know we do not understand the inner mind of the Lord, but it does not make much sense to me to go to all the trouble of Creation with the Fall, sin, and all the other processes, to have it end up the way you propose.

    There is one positive thing the revelation would do. It would shut up everyone in the endless Calvin-free will threads.
     
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    If God intended to save no one then I doubt any of us would be here. God created man that he may A) love and worship Him B) to shower mankind with His grace. In the absence of these two things all that remains is judgment (c.f. God's judgment on mankind via the Floor).
     
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    I like this reply.:thumbsup:
    If he answered you that he would not change his mind, how would you answer the same questions in the OP?
    How would you answer if he were to ask you whether you preferred that he hasten the execution of this revealed will or to delay it?
     
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    Correction...via the "Flood."
     
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    Of Course

    Yes, I would remain devoted to truth, justice, love and mercy. As the saying goes, it is not the destination, but how we walk that grows our character. Jesus is the perfect image of God, He is our model, and we are to study His word and strive to become more Christ-like every day. He came to serve rather than be served, and so too, should serve with the compassion and love that does not even consider the reward.

    But, as we should all know, the hypothetical is a fiction because God's word is true and it says we are to strive to earn rewards such that we enter heaven abundantly, rather than as one escaping from a fire.
     
  16. humblethinker

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    I like what you're saying here as well. The following answer particularly resonates with me as well. This OP was basically from the comments section of Roger Olson's blog:

    Roger,
    What would you say to the question:
    What difference would it make in your life if suddenly God revealed to you in a way you couldn’t deny that he is going to save no one?
    I wonder if Calvinists would still worship him?

    Roger says:
    Wonderful question! And a good example of a how a purely hypothetical scenario can draw out theological commitments. I guess I would say God’s character is the most important thing about Christianity and God’s character is revealed in Jesus Christ. So, if that were revealed to me in a way I couldn’t deny I would have to stop believing God revealed his character in Jesus Christ. I would no longer worship or serve God. What does that reveal about me? I worship and serve God because of Jesus Christ. To paraphrase Zinzendorf: If it weren’t for Jesus I wouldn’t believe in God. Well, I might still believe in a First Cause and Supreme Being, but I wouldn’t serve or worship him. Fortunately, I have no concerns about such a thing being revealed to me!​
     

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