What in your opinion do these vs. mean

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  1. KJVkid

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    2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
    1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
    1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
    1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

    Just curious.
     
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    I don't believe they have anything to do with coats and ties.
     
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    It simply means to live a life in which it Glorifies and points to Christ.. our only true holiness...

    Others need to see Christ, we should reflect him...
    We need to allow Christ's holiness to fill us so full that we overflow into others' lives...

    It means to be filled with the Spirit...

    It means removing obstacles in our lives that keeps us from being everything Christ created us to be.

    He has sanctified each individual Christian to do certain things..

    It means following God's will for our lives...
     
  4. dan e.

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    Simply put, I think it means that when you become a believer, you will be changed...yet not without a fight. I think that is why he says that we ARE new creations, yet still calls us to change. If there were no spiritual warfare, there would be no need to warn/caution...yet at the same time we are still new; all things become new: desires, actions, thoughts, demeanor, undersanding, etc. Unfortunately we sometimes want to put on that old pair of shoes...sometimes even unable to resist despite being new. Quite a mystery.

    Already, not yet.

    Phil Joel has a great song called "changed", in which he describes every aspect of life that Jesus changed in him. It really got me thinking about seeing that people are Christians....that is, have they changed?
     
  5. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Uh, because we are new creatures in Christ we are to pursue holiness?
     
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    I'll take a stab at it - In this verse, when we come to know Christ, we are no longer the same person we were before. We know from Romans that we are no longer slaves to sin and instead we are slaves to Christ. The word "become" is more properly translated "becoming" in that we are not instantly transformed and sanctified but we are continually being renewed in Christ and becoming more and more like Him as time passes.

    Well, this passage is not a complete thought because verse 17 is only part of a sentence and has the colon, so we need to see what it all says:

    Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

    23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

    25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

    This passage is telling us to live differently than we did before. We are to be holy in our words, deeds and thoughts and to even to the point of loving one another with pure hearts. That's very different than the world. The entire passage teaches us to approach things in a very different way than we did before because of the shed blood of Christ covering us. Even our trials and temptations take on a different meaning when we consider that!
     
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    :applause: Why is this so often forgotten? We are supposed to love one another as Christ loves us. How sad it is that we are often harsher and more condemning toward our brothers and sisters in Christ than the outside world is to us!
     
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    KJVkid,

    When were embrace Christ by faith alone, the person we were before (a sinner) dies, ceases to be, and a brand new person (a saint of God) comes into being.

    We become born again. Born of the Spirit. We are "translated out of darkness" and translated into Gods "marvelous light". This change is immediate and permanent, and it has nothing to do with our behavior.

    As a new creature, we are to spend the rest of our lives "putting off the old man" and "putting on the new man" Learning to allow Christ to take over more and more of our life as He replaces it with His.

    Grace and peace,

    Mike
     
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    1 Peter is one of my favorite books! I agree with C4K... we are to move after holiness making that our prime objective, to model the image of Christ. This has more to do with inner development.
     
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    I think that is mean that we will become a new creature and then go out and find as many rules as possible to show how holy we are :)

    Right?
    Wait, no that isn't it.

    When we are regenerated we have a new heart, one of flesh and not of stone.

    We will have new desires but this has nothing to do will man made rules.
     
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    Exactly Dale - We will DESIRE God and His will in our lives. We will no longer be the slave to sin - we have a new master and we will desire to please our master. There's a huge heart change in a believer.
     
  12. Brandon C. Jones

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    Well these texts as well as the passage in Peter about becoming partakers of the divine nature used to influence patristic views of theosis that nearly disappeared after the Pelagian controversy in the West. I think it would be wise to revisit some of these biblical themes to see what we've been missing.
     

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