What is a definition of "neo-conservativism"?

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  1. LRL71

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    I'm a frequent poster on other bulletin board forums (skyscrapercity.com & gminsidenews.com), where I've seen a lot of hubbub about 'neo-cons'. I've heard of the term, and have even been accused by some on these other boards that I'm a 'neo-con', but I don't really know the distinction between classic conservatives and 'neo-conservative'. Perhaps someone here could enlighten me about this??
     
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    Anybody who voted for Bush.
     
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    Thanks, you nitwit. :mad:

    I was being serious. Please answer the question without the nonsense.
     
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    He was being serious.

    But, let me give you my take on it:

    Classic Conservatives are pretty much isolationists like Pat Buchannan. They would like for us to put a brick wall around America and forget about the rest of the world. They hate wars for liberation such as the one we are currently involved in Iraq.

    So called Neo-Cons are not isolationists. They would probably actually agree with a lot of what Classic Conservatives believe, such as getting the UN out of our nation and our nation out of the UN. However, they agree with supporting our allies, such as Israel, and would agree with fighting wars of liberation, especially when it has been found that Al-Quaeda terrorists such Abu Nidal had a connection with Iraq. CC's agree with the liberal mantra that it was Afganistan stupid, whereas Neo's understand that terror is not limited to just one country (Afganistan) or to one guy (UBL). This is something even most libs and CC's will admit to when they point out that most of the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. They have also ID'ed Syria and Iran as a big threat. They believe every Arab nation in the Middle East was a threat except Iraq. Neo's never said there was a direct connection between Saddam and 9-11, but that they harbored Al-Quaeda and provided training camps and other forms of support for them. We understand that terrorism is all connected in the Middle East and doesn't boil down to one nation or one person.

    Neo's would have fought the war in Japan and in Germany. Classic Conservatives would have focused on Japan and said forget Germany.

    That is the major difference as I see it.

    Joseph Botwinick

    PS: Name-calling against other members of the board is generally discouraged on this board. It is quite a bit more heavily moderated than most boards. Just wanted to let you know before you get in some real trouble.
     
  5. church mouse guy

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    It is formerly liberal Democrats who became conservative Republicans like Ronald Reagan. Many of them happened to be Jewish so the term is also used to call someone a Jew in an unpleasant manner.
     
  6. KenH

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    Neo-cons are liberals who believe in American Empire. There is basically nothing conservative about their domestic policies as they believe in bigger government. They are basically warmongers in their foreign policy viewpoints. They would flock to the Democratic Party if the Democratic Party was the majority party.
     
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    That is false. Germany declared war on the U.S. We had no choice but to declare war on Germany. We had to defeat both Japan and Germany. I've never heard anyone say that we should have defeated Japan but not Germany.
     
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    Please show me where Germany declared war on America. Where was the first German attack on American soil. It was Japan who attacked, not Germany.

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    Did you get a flu shot before you went on the Libertarian site of Paul?

    My definition stands. It has Victor Davis Hanson and others behind it. A Neo-Con is a liberal Democrat, often Jewish, who became a conservative Republican, thereby avoiding the far right wing, ha,ha!
     
  11. KenH

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    A neo-con is a liberal. Being in the Republican Party does not make one a conservative anymore than being in a garage makes one a car.

    By the way, cmg, in case you missed it, I voted for President Bush on November 2. I am hardly a right-winger, unless opposing homosexual "marriage" and all abortions makes me one.
     
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    Oh, come on, Joseph, this has already been discussed and proven before. Why does it have to be done again? [​IMG]

    Here it is - www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/gerdec41.htm
     
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    So, that is the German attack on the United States? A hand delivered letter? [​IMG]

    Come on, Ken. You can do better than that. Japan attacked the United States, not Germany. Show me where Germany attacked us on our soil. Who fired the first shot in our war against Germany? Did they fire it by proxy as a result of their alliance with the Japanese? Or, did America engage in a pre-emptive war against Germany?

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    "Three days later, December 11th, Germany and Italy, making good on their promise to Japan, declared war on the United States. The same day, December 11, the United States replied in kind."
    [i}A Short History of Western Civilization[/i] Harrison, J.B. and Sullivan, R.E. 1971 Knopf

    Yeah, we've been over this more than once. Germany declared war on us first.
     
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    A neo-con is an ex-liberal who left the Democrat Party like Reagan and became a Republican. A neo-con is often Jewish, as liberal Jews liked the GOP support for Israel I suppose.

    Neo-cons, Ken, did not join the Libertarian Party, really hard-right wing in that they think that their money should insulate them from depravity and that the government should only protect the wealthy, and the CP, ultra-rightists who don't mind borrowing ideas from the left, as needed and who are distinguished by being totally impractical.

    Neo-cons are Republicans but they are disliked by people like who believe like Ken and others such as Democrats.
     
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  17. KenH

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    You're fighting the last war, cmg. I supported neither the Libertarian Party nor the Constitution Party on November 2. If you are a Republican, then you are delivering friendly fire toward me.

    As I said, joining the Republican Party does not mean one is not a liberal. Arlen Specter is a Republican - point proven.
     
  18. KenH

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    I didn't say it was an attack. Germany and Japan were allies. It is ludicrous to think we could have fought Japan and not Germany. Back then, a declaration of war meant something.

    A declaration of war back then was like slapping your enemy with a glove. A declaration of war meant you had to respond with force or surrender.

    I am really amazed - I helped President Bush get re-elected and still I am attacked by Joseph and cmg. Amazing!
     
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    I am not referring to you, Ken, when I mention the Libertarians and the CP, except to the extent that you quote or link the Libertarians. The GOP is a big-tent party nowadays. It has all kinds of groups supporting it. There are Wall-Street Republicans, country-club Republicans, and Main-Street Republicans--just to name a few.
     
  20. KenH

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    That's fine. But that doesn't mean that neo-cons believe in limited government. Therefore, they are not conservatives in domestic policy.
     

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