What is Fundamental?

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  1. Frogman

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    On another thread, Dr. Bod said (paraphrased):

    And I pray your SBC church is fundamental too.

    What is fundamental?

    Honest question. How do you know you are fundamental?

    By Grace Alone,
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    I too would pray that the SCB would be fundamental, but sadly few are if any. I came out of the SCB after almost 20 years because of the liberal ways that have crept in. I realize that they do claim to be fundamental, but my opinion is that they are far from it. Here is my understanding of fundamental.
    fun·da·men·tal·ism
    Pronunciation: -t&l-"i-z&m
    Function: noun
    1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
    2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles
    3 : someone who holds to the principles of scripture in spirit as well as how they live.
     
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    What is a fundamentalist??,i have been digging out some tapes i collected over the years of some of the old guys,many are gone on ahead,they had no problem telling us what a fundamentalist was.This next generation might have some explaining to do,the torch they're getting ready to pass looks a lot like the one they abandoned 50-60 yrs ago.
     
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    Fundamental truths (core of the Fundamentalist movement since 1890's) are summarized:
    [gleaned from a number of sources]
     
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    Thanks brethren for the gleanings. I will chew on this for a while and see what sweet flavor I can get.

    I have always considered myself a fundamentalist. I will say I do affirm as I understand Dr. Bob's summary, those teachings. But I would rather say that my agreement can be with a select few and these I would hope are obvious to you. I am not throwing all the others out, only desire to understand them in a historical context.

    This way I know what I have received in my heart and can weigh that against whether scripture is with me or whether I need to get with the program.

    I have been places that claimed fundamentalism when hearing their teaching they did not seem to be.

    It is so much easier to visit and hear and understand what is taught I guess, but we can't visit all places now can we? ;)

    Thanks again for the replies.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]

    Here are the ones I would agree with: shown by ***

    ***1) the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible in the original autographs,

    ***2) the deity of Christ (including his virgin birth),

    ***3) the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death,

    ***4) the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead, and

    5) the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent.

    I think I just may reserve a dogged determination for the last one until Christ returns...is that ok??? :D
     
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    [gleaned from a number of sources] </font>[/QUOTE]I totally agree that this basis for defining fundamentalism. [​IMG] Thanks Dr. Bob
     
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    Dear Brother Bob,
    I believe the Diety of Christ means he was the only Begotten Son of God from eternity.

    Even as the Bible teaches he stood as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Would fundamentalists agree? I have encountered some (not claiming to be IFB, but perhaps fundamental) who seem to believe Christ received a form of adoption after his baptism, if I not misunderstanding their statements.

    I don't understand how this is believed. Isaiah said a 'son is given' 'a child is born'.

    What I believe then is that Jesus (earthly name) Christ (the anointed messiah) always possessed the full measure of the Holy Spirit.

    The words of God at his baptism, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" and the descent of the Spirit as a dove are not representative of an act of adoption of the man Jesus, but expressive of his eternal diety as Christ Jesus.

    A public pronouncement if you will of this eternal truth.

    I believe IFB's would agree with that, am I right?

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    I also believe it was symbolic in that the Lord showed him to be his one and only Perfect Son. We have adoptiont hrough Salvation. Christ has always been the Second of the Triune Godhead.
     
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    Bro. Dallas I agree with you. God the Father was making a public announcement to a human audience of what was already a fact.What makes me believe this is that "in the beggining God" God being Elohim was plural, tells me all three of the Godhead were present at creation.I also believe that all three , the Father, Son,& Holy Gohst always have been ,are, and ever shall be.
     
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    I have to start editing my spelling before I push enter.
     
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    NO!!! How can you claim to believe #1 and doubt #5?
    Murph
     
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    Excellent point. Fundamentalism is pretty "BLACK-AND-WHITE" in historic definition. Folks might "claim" the name (like the only sect), but when they change the fundamentals, it proves they are not.

    Issue of "deity of Christ" (from above) is one of those. If you believe Jesus "became" God or such by adoption, or at His baptism or such, you are NOT fundamental.

    Issue of "literal return of Christ" rules out a-mill belief. Obviously, one CAN wrongly belive the a-mill position, but they CANNOT be called fundamental.

    We NEED to earnestly defend the fundamentals or else people will use the term wrongly and claim to be (or to hate) fundamentalists wrongly.
     
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    Please elaborate. Many SBC's are amillennial. (I am premillenial.) They seem to believe in the literal return of Christ, but not in a literal millennium with Jerusalem as the capital of the world.
    I would say that "literal return of Christ" rules out full preterism.

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    NO!!! How can you claim to believe #1 and doubt #5?
    Murph
    </font>[/QUOTE]Dear C.S. Murphy, personally, I am pre-mill, pre-trib, and I believe Christ will establish a kingdom in Jerusalem after the tribulation period, that kingdom will last 1000 yrs.

    I personally do not doubt #5, I believe the literal return of Christ, but that the saved shall meet him in the air.

    By 'literal' return, do you mean that he will place a foot upon the earth at that time?

    I am afraid I do not understand your and Dr. Bob's points, if you don't mind please discuss them more for the purpose and hope of a greater understanding on my part.

    BTW, just so you fellows know, I do not believe Christ's baptism is an 'adoption' as the Son of God, I hope that you didn't think that I did from my initial post.
    Bro. Dallas
     
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    At what time? when He comes to get us NO but when He comes to set up the mill kingdom YES. Bro Dallas I am confused by your comments on the 2nd coming. In your quote above you say you believe it will occur as the Bible says so what did you mean by this:

    #5 the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent.

    I think I just may reserve a dogged determination for the last one until Christ returns...is that ok???

    I don't understand
    Murph
     

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