What is fundamentalism ?

Actually, I thought you were talking about people without a green-card.

 

Oh, thank you so much for correcting me. I need someone with a direct line to God to keep me straight. My pastor doesn't fit because he uses an NKJV.

 

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Nobody is perfect, so maybe it is time you quit judging all of us just because we believe that God saw fit to provide more than ONE translation of His Word.
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I am encouraging you to see the truth in this issue, and what it at stake because of it. I am merely warning you and urging you to see the truth in this issue. If you feel personally judged, I am sorry and this is not my intention at all, but we are to judge all things and this is what I have done, and am sharing and encouraging you all to do also.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Are you including Billy Graham in your statement of "Millions of souls are being misled."?

Just curious.

 

Followinghim: "What is fundamentalism?"

As with all words, the term is what people make of it.

In the 1920s "fundamentalism" was sold as a movement within
American Protestantism which looked to the Bible for
literal direction. The fundamentals of fundamentalism
are noted as:

1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
4. the literal resurrrection of Christ from the dead
5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

Note it would be east to make an evangelistic message
with these five points, for they are basic (fundamental)
to the Christian belief. I even have a 1976 dictionary
that shows this meaning of fundamentalism.

HOWEVER, in the 1980s "fundamentalism" became to mean:
A person of a book religion that believes their book
literaly. So then we could talk about Fundamentalist Muslims
and Fundamentalist Jews and Fundamentalist Catholics.
These concepts were impossible up through the 1970s.

Then in the Gulf War of the early 1990s "fundamentalism"
became to mean:
a bigot of whatever stripe.

A perfectly good word was stolen from us by the
liberal American press. We already had "bigot", why
do we need another word for it?

The deminutative "fundy" now has the same meaning
as "bigot" did since the 12th century.

 

Michelle,

What do you consider fruit? I mean really!

I really think you have been a little misled in regards to the important things.

I ask you - what are the fruits of the spirit?

KJVOism?
A love for traditional music?
A love for traditional dress?
A disdain for any other denomination?

Nope - these are human works.

Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.

These, coupled with the 5 fundamentals, are the important things!

 

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Who are you to dictate what God can and cannot do?
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I have dictated nothing. I have shared with you, and shown you what God himself has dictated. Please do not confuse the two. The servant is not greater than his Lord.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Billy Graham's fruit is "ROTTEN". All I can say is "Wow". I wonder what all of those Christians who have already died think--who received their "seed" from a Billy Graham crusade? Any thoughts?

 

AMEN brother, Preach on and you too gb!

 

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Telling what God can and cannot do is not for you to decide. Lots of if’s in your statement. Truths do not contain if’s. Give us facts without if statements.
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You and many others are actually the one's guilty of doing this. You are claiming God didn't say something he did say, to prove your belief that he didn't say it - is right, all at the expense of what God has said he would do, and has indeed done, and then placing this false belief, contrary to God's truth about this as a burden upon those of us who believe what God has said and provided at face value. You are the ones limiting God and saying God can't do this, even though He said he would, and has EVIDENCED he did. You are basically saying that we cannot tell YOU what God can and can't do, when in fact we can tell you as well as show you what God said he would and could and did do.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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I ask you - what are the fruits of the spirit?


Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.

These, coupled with the 5 fundamentals, are the important things!
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I agree, and this was my point to gb to which implied the fruits of a person are how many one disciples or is discipling.


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KJVOism?
A love for traditional music?
A love for traditional dress?
A disdain for any other denomination?
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This is your opinion that you have lumped all these people into a false label. KJVOism is made up by those who do not want to see the truth about the mv's.


As far as traditional music, it is godly, unlike the music in modern churches today. It's roots are from godly men and beliefs and the music focuses upon worshipping God and who He is, what He has done, and what He will do, and not the flesh. The roots of CCM and the contemporary music in churches today focus first upon the flesh, more than God and worshipping Him, who He is, and what he has done. I personally prefer listening to scripture songs, rather than hymns. But I much prefer worshipping our Holy God, with Holy music untainted by the world, rather than the music that has it's roots in satanism and look and sound just like the unbelieving world. God is Holy, therefore he deserves to be worshipped in Holiness, not with those things that smell and are tainted with the world.


As for dress, if the President of the United States, were to invite you to come visit him in the white house, would you not dress your best to meet him? Or would you show up in immodest dress, and your casual clothes such as shorts or jeans, or sweatpants? Why then is it different when you go to church in fellowship with others to give glory, praise and worship to the only Holy and Righteous God? Should woman wear clothing that causes other men to lust after them? Should woman put on so much make-up and jewelry as to cause people to focus upon them? God tells us to dress modestly, and becoming of holiness. That means, without giving cause for others to fall to temptation or sin. Ecspecially in the church gathering. Should woman dress as a man? I have nothing against wearing pants, but I have everything against woman who dress to look like a man, as God has given clear commandment against doing such. It only shows either ignorance of it, or rebellion.


Disdain for other denominations? NO, it is called separation from, as we are commanded to do.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Billy Graham's fruit is "ROTTEN". All I can say is "Wow". I wonder what all of those Christians who have already died think--who received their "seed" from a Billy Graham crusade? Any thoughts?
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It doesn't matter what they think. It matters what God has said. I wonder how many of those christians who were sent back to the Roman Catholic church and her heresies are doing now. I wonder how many people who see the ecumenicalism are being seduced by the Roman Catholic church and her heresies today, and now remain quiet and compromising, rather than doing what the Lord would have us to do, and share the gospel truth with them. By sending these people back to the Roman Catholic church, or apostate churches, shows this man has NO LOVE OF GOD IN HIM, for the Lord gives clear warning that those who preach another gospel are accured of God. The Roman Catholic church preaches a different gospel, and a different Jesus. Billy Grahams fruits are ROTTEN.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I notice that the list of fundamentals given in this thread doesn't specifically state "salvation by faith alone", The Roman Catholic church could agree with your fundamentals.

scooter

 

"KJVOism?
A love for traditional music?
A love for traditional dress?
A disdain for any other denomination?


Wood, hay, stubble.

Sad.

 

Charles Meadows: "Love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.

These, coupled with the 5 fundamentals,
are the important things! "

Silver and gold!!!

 

So, it doesn't matter to you that they are saved from an eternity in hell because of Billy Graham's preaching. It just matters that we believe MV's are corrupt. Yeah, I gotcha.

 

So how many times did you see Jesus reprimanding others for wearing a short cloak, or for using a Greek manuscript instead of a Hebrew scroll?

If a Catholic person believes that Jesus was crucified for our sins and that His blood alone saves then I consider him my brother.

You concentrate on the little things Michelle! This is exactly what Jesus meant when He spoke aboutstraining at gnats.

Remember the fruits of the Spirit!

If these were not important then why are they mentioned specifically as the things the Holy Spirit brings? Isn't it the Spirit that makes us want to live like Christ?

 

Michelle,

I've followed your posts on a number of forums during the past few weeks. Your full frontal attack on those who use modern versions is an eye-opener to say the least. I ask the following questions with a genuine interest in understanding your view.

1. Is it a sin to use a modern version?

2. If the answer to #1 is yes, will anyone who uses a modern version inherit eternal life?

3. If the answer to #1 is yes, I assume your church would exercise biblical discipline towards a brother who insists on using a modern version. Unless restoration occurs, you are to treat the brother as a tax collector. In other words, does the unrepentant use of modern versions lead to a break in fellowship?

scooter

 

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"KJVOism?
A love for traditional music?
A love for traditional dress?
A disdain for any other denomination?


Wood, hay, stubble.

Sad.
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What saith the scriptures concerning these things? Do you obey them and apply them in your life? Do you encourage others to obey them? I explained how these things are based upon biblical commands, to which God will put this into our hearts. Please show me otherwise, otherwise this is your own opinion, and it is this that is very sad. Jesus said, Be ye perfect, as your Father in Heaven is perfect. When we are saved, we love God more than anything, and strive to always please him and obey his commands.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

They just might be making a change in the Catholic Church. Wouldn't that be great.

Where in the Bible does it say not to go and evangelize?

Your belief on this one really shocks me. I can understand a person saying that they don't really agree with the lack of follow-up, but at least he's planting seeds. Or that maybe they don't believe in everything he says, but to call his fruit "rotten", when did you become the guru with all of the answers?

In your book, if someone doesn't believe every little belief you have, then they are "rotten", and it is your duty to correct all of us stupid Christians because you have a direct connection that we don't have. Sorry for being a little blunt here, but you are getting somewhat out of line with this and your other preaching, Michelle.