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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by donnA, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. Dr. Bob

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    We are finding a renewed interest in the truths/doctrines that have been ignored or simply not taught over the past 100 years.

    More Reformed Baptist churches planted (or Founders churches in the SBC that are akin). We teach through the 1689 2nd London Confession and people are hungering for more.

    Why do you think MacArthur and Piper and Sproul have such huge followings? They are standing for real exposition of the Word instead of the pablum of 1-2-3-easy believism.

    The fault lay directly at the FEET OF THE PASTORS. If our frenzy of fundamentalism we begin preaching AT groups or ideas, and folks only know what the church is against. Or at best a few fundamental doctrines, often warped by the managawd to his benefit.

    Pastors who are not true shepherds but denominational hirelings and hacks are at the root of the problem. Talked with two families leaving SBC churches because the messages/teaching was all at a 3rd grade Sunday School level.
     
  2. Trotter

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    I've had more than my fill of those. I praise the Lord that our pastor is a man who wrestles witht he scrictures and is not afraid to dig deep. i have sat under way too many who only use a verse or two as a diving board for a 30 minute rant on their pet peeves, or who are afraid to take the congregation over ankle deep for fear of someone getting mud on their trousers.

    People are hungry for God and His word. They get enough "junk food" from the world... they don't need it at church, too.
     
  3. donnA

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    makes sense Dr Bob, we've noticed our new(almost still new) pastor teachinsg are deeper then anything we've had before, and we love it, we want all the understanidng we can, so far he hasn't been afraid to teach scripture, what it says not what people want to hear about it. Is this what you mean?
     
  4. donnA

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    YES, this is what I was meaning in my last post. we get this kind of teaching.
     
  5. SolaSaint

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    I think we need to go back 30-40 years ago when the majority of seminaries started teaching liberal views on the doctrines of grace. We are now seeing a great many preachers in the pulpits that were brainwashed to believe in a less than sovereign God and a postmodern mindset that wants to please everyone with lukewarm Christianity. I believe as Dr. Bob that we are now starting to see the end of this mess and a return to reformed theology. I believe this is going to be a wonderful time in the church to see a reemerging biblical church and not the one we hear from the Brian Mclarens and Rob Bells.
     
  6. SolaSaint

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    I left a seeker sensitive SBC church about 4 years ago and when I left I spoke with the senior pastor and I discussed several of the problems I had. One was that people didn't bring their bibles to church anymore. He was really offended at that and asked why I thought it was so important to bring a bible to church. He said since the scripture references were shown on a video screen for all to see that there was no reason to bring a bible to church. Then I asked what if someone wanted to read the verses for themselves and be like the Bereans, and he really didn't like that. He was using a Purpose Driven format that used about 10-14 different translations to get across the topic of his sermon (The Message was used a lot).
     
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    "let me say, beloved, if we wish to win souls to Christ, there is nothing like telling to others what the Lord has done for our souls. It is of small use to tell them what we have learned in books, we must declare what God has written on our hearts. It is not describing what was said by the preacher, but what has been felt in our souls. Many a husband has been won to God by his wife's witness to the power of religion in her own soul; and many a child has been brought to the Savior's feet by the father's speaking to him of what grace had done for him. Publish, then, your personal testimony, each of you, for this is the most effectual weapon for overcoming human unbelief and bringing men to Christ." ---Charles Spurgeon, Testimony and Experience
     
  8. FR7 Baptist

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    This is what frustrates me about some Calvinists. The truth is, all Christians believe God is sovereign. God draws all men to Himself and grace can be resisted. Why? Because God in His sovereignty chose to do it that way. Also, I'm not saying anyone can come to God without Him enabling them by His prevenient grace, not by any merit on the sinner's part.
     
  9. Bob Alkire

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    I was with a group back in 1999 that went around to 250 churches, 25 churches in 10 states. The states were Fl. Ga. SC, NC, Va. Pa, NY, Ky, Tn. and Tx. The study was to compare what folks knew about their church doctrine and the Scriptures to a study from back in 1950, as well as how a service should be..Like how much for preaching or teaching and how much for music and how long SS and service should be as well as the times.

    To the 1950 study they knew much less about their church, Scripture and wanted shorter services and less services and more music while at service. It seemed to be much more into feelings, good or bad. Big answer there is to much time spend at work and other things to spend that much time at church. If I recall correctly about 30% said one are two services a month would seem far today with all the ballgames and golf along with fishing and other things which are going on, on Sunday. Again if I recall correctly about 60% or more said they didn't have time to read a SS lesson or read the Bible much.

    The folks in 1950 felt thing had dropped from the one they were compared with and it was true. This study pointed a big change from the 1950 study.
     
  10. Johnv

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    That's exactly what he's saying. He believes anyone who doesn't interpret scripture like he does is wrong. He believes only his way is the way to interpret scripture. He believes only his way is the say the church has intperted scripture. He further believes that anyone who disagrees with him is a candidate for apostacy.

    Those are his own words. They're a perfect example of my first post in this thread: The problem isn't Christians not caring about what scripture teaches, but is instead that Christians increasingly insist that other Christians interpret and apply scripture as they do (and if they don't then that person must not care about what scripture teaches).
     
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    he didn't say like he does. he talked about historic christianity
     
  12. Johnv

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    That's what he believes. His attitude is still his way or the highway on the topic.
     
  13. Dale-c

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    John, there is only one truth, only one right and wrong.

    THe gospel is not up for debate.

    However part of the problem today is when people make an issue out of things that the Bible does not.

    One the one hand is watered down gospel and the fear of telling anyone that they are wrong.

    On the other hand we have so called fundamentalists that make a "my way or the highway" issue out of music, dress, movies etc that the Bible does not specify.

    I think the important thing is to stand firm where the bible is clear on important issues and allow for liberty in other areas.

    I could argue both sides of this issue, all depending on what the subject matter is.

    If it is a matter of opinion then there is no room for my way or the highway.

    If it is a matter of doctrine, then we must stand for the truth.
     
  14. Johnv

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    Never said otherwise.
    I agree, but that's often not what we do. We often stand firm on things that should be a matter of liberty, and chastise those who leave them to liberty.
     
  15. JohnDeereFan

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    Thank you, Donna, but beat your head against the wall with this guy on my account.

    Like I said, JohnV knows that I never said anything even remotely like the things he's accusing me of, but he doesn't care. He's just a troll and that's what trolls do.

    I say just put him on ignore, as far as any interaction with him on the forums, but continue to pray for him.

    Besides, Christians in Burma and China and Sudan are routinely tortured and killed for the sake of the Gospel. If the only "persecution" I get is some nitwit following me around an internet message board saying silly things about me, then I guess I'm getting off lucky.
     
  16. saturneptune

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    Putting people on ignore for disagreeing with you is childish and very immature. If the guy was harrassing you, it would be one thing, but he is not.

    His posts are very well thought out, even though at times I do not agree with him. You need to learn the definition of a troll, and get off the martyr soapbox.
     
  17. saturneptune

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    That is a very good post. As was said above, lots of people on this board equate Biblical truth the their opinion.
     
  18. JohnDeereFan

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    I agree. But that isn't why he's on my ignore list, so your point is not only a strawman, but is moot.

    Remember, if he was on my ignore list because he disagrees with me, then I would also have you on my ignore list, because you disagree with me, too.

    He's on my ignore list because of his behavior, not because of his opinions.
     
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  19. SolaSaint

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    Who mentioned Calvinists?
     
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    Amen to that~~
     
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