What is "Hyper-Fundamentalism"?

Hey Lacy, I see that you are from Midland, Texas. I was born in a small town south of Odeesa named Crane. Is it still on the map?

 

Crane is still there. They ususlly have a pretty good football team. My wife was adopted and we found her birth-mom a few years back. She is from "Sulfa". Her name is Betty Flurry. I can't remember the church she went to but I'll ask her tonight at church. (She moved out here last summer)

Anyway, I'd be careful about the term "legalistic" too. In my opinion, that's the worst of the bunch. (Unless you use Pluvis' very Biblical definition.)

Im agree that we should watch the fruit, but a man can have what appears to be bountiful fruit and be very proud, while another can have little or no fruit and be proud that he is not a "legalist". We all need to turn the "sword" on ourselves. I can't know your heart. I have enough trouble knowing mine.

I cut my hair about 6 years ago. It was nearly to my waist. I had worn it that way for years, and had been serving God consistently. But now, I have to catch myself when my son comes home with a friend who "looks like a thug",(Like me), or hangs out with a girl who bears black fingernail polish. Man! it's hard! Don't be too hard on us "legalists". Most of us are just struggling with the gray areas just like you.

But beware! Some areas are not quite so gray as we would like them to be.

Lacy

PS Welcome to the Boards!

 

I attended a church for many years which would be considered by some as hyper fundamental,but never did i experience such freedom.The pastor preached his convictions,his family set,and were glad to,the example.KJV bible,conservative dress,living right and being a testimony to our neighbour were expected if you wanted to serve in the church.All were welcome,all were accepted,all were preached to,all were prayed for but not all were used.If you turned down the sound and looked in to most churches in our area,you'd think you were at a rock concert.I drove 65 miles each way 3 plus times a week for many years to get away from that junk.My wife always wore slacks,not one word was said but the preacher preached his convictions and the LORD convicted her to change.The same with everything in our church,no finger pointing just the pastor faithfully preaching his convictions.
Dr Bob,I'd sooner be a hyper fundamentalist any day than a hyper calvinist Have day a great day ER

 

I'm guessing that whereas a fundamentalist is someone who holds faithfully to all the basic doctrines of the Bible, a hyper-fundamentalist goes beyond that to assert equal authority for beliefs not explicitly taught in Scripture. In other words, they elevate their opinions to the level of divine writ, and insist that everyone else must agree with them. A hyper-fundamentalist adds to the Bible, which is just as wrong as the liberal who subtracts from it.

 

Tangent,

I can't argue that this behavior goes on. I have been on the receiving end of that spirit myself.

However, most of the time terms like "legalist" and "hyper-fundy" are thrown at people who place more restrictions on their personal liberties than the "throw-er". And, sometimes, the person using the term is hiding blatant sin behind these very subjective terms.

We don't disagree that adding and subtracting from plain scripture is a sin. I just think that the terms themselves are being used in an extra-Biblical sense.

We shouldn't be proud. We should be holy.

Lacy

 

er1001,

I ask again...where do your convictions concerning dress come from? We all agree that it's not from the Bible, so where from? The answer is personal preference. I recently moved my family from a strict So. Bapt. church here in Colorado Springs because of the dress issue. I was a deacon, and participated in teh choir and was a soloist. For the Lord's Supper, I had to wear a suit in order to serve the Supper. Also, in order to sing before the congregation or in the choir, I had to wear a suit, and the ladies had to wear dresses WITH pantyhose (oh the SHAME if they didn't, and I'm not exaggerating). Over the years, our attendance has dwindled from 900+ on Sunday morning to hovering around 300. I'll address this in a minute.

You also claimed that churches that have worship resembling a "rock concert" to be junk. Again, scriptural conviction or personal preference? It's fine if you don't like that style of music, but don't call it junk. This generation, and even many from the baby boomer and even older, are finding modern praise and worship music to do more to draw them to the throne of God during services than any hymn ever did. Does that make hymns wrong? Of course not. But don't bash the other. Again, personal vs. scriptural. Yours is absolutely personal.

Going back to the dress issue, and including the music issue, it wasn't until we left the So. Bapt. church we were members of (and just let me add those two issues were just icing on the cake, there's much much more than was a violation of scripture and was supported in the pulipt) that we saw what a worship service really could be. For years, we were used to the music simply being the "time before the preaching". The music was just thrown out there, and it was up to the individual to get focused on the throne. However, at Woodmen Valley Chapel (where we are currently visiting) just as much emphasis is placed on the worship leader, praise band, choir, etc., as is placed on the pastor to use the music and present the music in such a way that one is drawn to the throne, and draws the Holy Spirit. A good preacher is one who is able to present the gospel in such a way that is of course uncompromising but also reaches people where they're at and draws them to Christ, through the Holy Spirit. THe same should be of music, but in so many of our churches, its not. And it's evidenced by the deadness and, frankly, boringness of the services.

For these reasons, so many of our visitors to the SO. Bapt. church we were at did not return because they saw so much more at other more modern churches. This will continue. Maybe not for a while in West Texas, or Southern Oklahoma (where I'm from) but it is happening. And Satan is using the outdated opinions on dress and worship to hinder Christs work, and that is reaching people.

 

AMEN!!

 

Colorado-Cop,I appreciate your opinion on what makes a good church and an exciting worship service.However a lot of noise and large crowds do not always make a good church,or at least what i would consider a good one.
Gods word tells us to be different,the way we act,dress,live,etc.It bothers me when folks claiming to know the Lord look exactly like those who don't and copy the worlds standards claiming it is necessary in order to win the lost.
On the PBS TV network a short time ago a man who sings in the clubs all week long and Gospel on Sundays, said that the only difference in the music he sang was his gospel songs contained the name of jesus here and there.I hate my past and the ways of the world and want to get as for from it as i can.When God calls things an Abomination we should pay attention,AMEN,To me much of the new ways of the church resemble those old ways of mine.
I think there is room for a few of the old paths folk even in these modern times.What is a HYPER-FUNDAMENTALIST? i guess the name was made up by people who want say they believe the bible and not want to look like it. No offence intended ER

 

We are to be different in action, dress, live, etc? So, according to your logic, the Quakers are the only true Christians among us? Get real. YOUR idea of what a church is and should be is just that, YOUR IDEA. It is not scriptural. I attempted to, in my previous post, illustrate that I do not think my idea of what a church should be is the only way. It's only one way. I was simply saying people like you shouldn't knock it, and I would even go so far as to say people like you are more disruptive to the work of the Holy Spirit than many other things in our society are, because I personally know people who are truly seeking Christ in their lives, yet when they go to the older churches, all they see is griping and bickering about dress and the such. When they go to the newer, modern churches, the only thing people are concerned about is their relationship with Christ. Now, it is possible to be sinful in one's dress, etc. But until that line is crossed, leave it alone, for crying out loud.

What should a church be? Reach people WHERE THEY'RE AT, provide worship and preaching to touch their hearts and hopefully they become saved, and then provide them support and a place for them to strengthen their walk with Christ so that they can be a more powerful tool for Christ.

Seriously, your statement that modern churches resemble your old sinful lifestyle is, well, just silly. It puts the emphasis on you when it should be on Christ. It really is. Is offense intended? No. However, I will unashamedly stand for what scripture says, but when scripture leaves a gray area, like what we're talking about? Well, I will do everything I can in my personal dealings with people every day and in a forum like this to dispell the damaging and dangerous opinions people like you foster.

 

I see GREAT danger on both sides of this argument.

Lacy

 

Its a sad day when all one has to say the they believe in and promote old fashioned standards and say they believe the KJV to be God's word and we get clobbered as being biggoted and cruel.It seems funny that those who want to be tolerated do very little tolerating.

 

(Its a sad day when all one has to say the they believe in and promote old fashioned standards and say they believe the KJV to be God's word and we get clobbered as being biggoted and cruel.It seems funny that those who want to be tolerated do very little tolerating.) Good post "er". Most of the people writing on this board are not Baptist nor any where near fundamental. There are a few sitting on the sideline who are however the Bible deniers have the spotlight. The fundamental Baptist is always accused of being hateful however it is not the case. There are other boards where a fundamental Baptist can write to other fundamental Baptist.

 

Wow you really set us strait on that issue, thanks Shiloh

 

Gideon's army went from 32,000 to 300...guess something was wrong there,too? God deserves our best. If you had an appointment with the President tomorrow, I'll bet you'd wear a suit and put on your pantyhose. Does God deserve anything less than our best?
"It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching (not singing) to save them that believe."(1Cor.1:21)

 

(Wow you really set us strait on that issue, thanks Shiloh)
Why debate the peanut gallery. Thank YOU Mr. moderator.

 

I too would like thank Mr moderator for the kind words,i have found that kind words of encouragement are hard to come by accross the BB to those who would take a right of center stand.

 

Nope, I'd just dress casual. definately no pantyhose.

I am who I am.

And what does singing have to do with it.
I knew a preacher one time that sung his sermons.
There are many styles of preaching, not just the scream and slobber style.

 

Er I think shiloh understood, did you not catch my sarcasm?
Murph