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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Deacon, Jan 23, 2012.
50 words or less
(this is true or false, right?)
I don't know that we could sum it up in so few words, but I would maintain that simply saying "false" is unhelpful and does not deal fairly with the issue.
Would say that you did meet the few words or less, just to bad were not very helpful to answer the OP!
Would say that reformed theology is the theology reflected in and by works of those such as John Calvin, martin Luthor, Berkhof etc...
Would say that one might disagree with it, but NOT just false nor heretical!
A product of the Reformation.
Characterized by the 5 Solas
Theological stance in which God is sovereign in the election of lost souls to salvation, based on grace and nothing in the sinner of any merit.
oh, so you would say that "by Scripture alone, by Grace alone, by faith alone, through Christ alone, glory to God alone are all false? You would disagree with "teaching that the Bible is the only inspired and authoritative word of God, is the only source for Christian doctrine" and "justification is received by faith only, without any mixture of or need for good works" and " salvation comes by divine grace or "unmerited favor" only, not as something merited by the sinner."
See, reformed theology isn't just tulip. It's going to involve a lot more.
I believe reformed theology would also include covenant theology as well, though I wouldn't agree with it.
reformed theology to me would be:
DoG Sotierology reformed lite, perhaps better called calvinism, as one can hold to TULIP, yet not embrace full blown reformed theology
Full reformed Tulip, all of it as Covenant theology also included!
It is a result of human arrogance. We all want to feel special, and this is how some Christians attain that.
We are all equally sinners. Why would God unequally forgive us?
Actually, Calvinism and Reformed Theology makes little of man and much of God. What some see as arrogance in ourselves is really confidence in God. I can't clean myself up, but He is faithful to perfect the work that He has begun. I am convicted of sin, by the Spirit, I confess and repent, and move on in the assurance of Him. Thus 1 John 1:9 is one of my favorite verses.
Why is a theology that brings the glory to God, elevates Him to His proper role a bad thing?
I agree with your discription of man in his fallen state. Where i would disagree is in the idea that God simply rejects some men from grace. This is where the arrogance comes in. What makes one man worthy of God's "irresistable Grace" and another totally deprived of it? Both men are equally sinners. Why are you better than anyone else?
Don't equal sinners deserve equal consideration, equal judgement, and equal forgiveness?
BTW, Calvinists are just as evil as Jeffery Dalmer or Adolf Hitler......why do you deserve Grace and not them?
Because the Bible says that God is not a 'respector of persons".....when you say that you bring glory to God, but that your neighbor is not capable of bringing glory to God, you have placed yourself in an elevated area that only Jesus belongs in.
You are no better or no worse than the next sinner
that is because GOD alone determines unto whom is salvation offered unto...
We are NOT better than any of the unsaved, as ALL of us are guily of breaking law of God, being found sinners by both choice and practice...
ALL deserve to be punished /judged by God, its his grace that ANY of us "make heaven!"
ALL of us deserve the same, hell and eternal seperation from God!
God chose to save some, up to him why/how/what/where, can't we trust Him to decide rightly?
By the way....
calling fellow Christian Hitlers and dalmers are NOT allowed, as you are calling into question BOTH the God that we serve, and also own salvation!
Ok, but I think you will be suprised when you get to heaven as to who is there and who is not
Excuse me? I didnt call anyone hitlers or dalmers...I simply said that we are ALL equally sinners, whether you are a preacher or a canibal.
And you are the one calling into question God and salvation by saying that you are "chosen/elected" and others are destined to hell no matter how much they repent.
Sinners cannot repent and turn to christ, just NOT in their natures to do such, as God grants sinners the final choice, to choose seperation from God!
That's not true. Reformed theology doesn't teach that people will go to hell "no matter how much they repent."
So, you are actually saying that since YOU turned to Christ that you were never a sinner?
And even more, are you saying that because you are a Christian that you are not a sinner now?
And.....yes,,,,,I agree with you, God does grant sinners the final choice, to choose seperation from God...... but that is NOT reformed theology.....according to reformed theology sinners dont have a choice.
You got me confused about your beliefs now....which is it? A choice....or not?
After 50 words on this thread you're locked out - use them carefully :laugh:
Background for the question:
A friend and I are going over a book by John Piper, Desiring God, meditations of a Christian Hedonist [LINK] (his choice of books I assure you).
I've enjoyed a number of Piper's books but this book is overtly oriented in a Reformed direction from the start.
I'm not sure if he knows what Reformed means and am looking for a quicky definition. ---> and I'm not sure it's possible.