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It's a study I guess. Try to get passed it The Apostles were with Christ not John. John's followers had only known John's ways, Jesus is the Way though. It complicated I admit. Actually it's a great study area, thanks. I still miss the importance of the post though. With regards to the Gospel.

 

How many were Johns disciples saved amongst the thousands Saved on pentecost?

And 3 thousand souls were added.. etd etc Amazing study I agree.

 

Cut through the chase and get to the point.

 

What about the rest of my post?

Was Jesus receiving from the Father or to say another way The Father giving to Jesus, the promise of the Holy Spirit which appears to take place before the shedding forth thereof, be construed in any manner a renewing of the Holy Spirit as in Titus 3:5 which also appears to precede a shedding forth thereof?

 

Christ Now in His Glory Ruling !

Jesus Christ present spiritual reign or rule according to 1 Pet 3:22

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

This s also a powerful verse against the false teaching of mans freewill !

The word authorities is the greek word exousia and means:


power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

a) leave or permission

2) physical and mental power

a) the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises

3) the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)

4) the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed)

Everyones power of choice have been made subject to Him ! The word subject is the greek word hypotassō:


to arrange under, to subordinate

2) to subject, put in subjection

3) to subject one's self, obey

4) to submit to one's control

5) to yield to one's admonition or advice

6) to obey, be subject


Have been arranged under Him to obedience !

Also Eph 1:22

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

The Lord Jesus Christ upon His final Ascension, He took possession of His Spiritual Kingdom, which is the Church 1 Cor 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

And He presently rules over all in Heaven ad Earth Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

In Hell,m all men and angels, an devils are all in subjection to Him, to serve His purpose and interest at His Sovereign Command, all of which are obedient to His Purposes !

 

Until 70 AD the "Christian" congregations came under the special "Jewish" political rules because Rome thought we were a Jewish sect. Christians continued to be welcome in synagogues until the Bar Kochba rebellion when Christians were excommunicated for refusing to fight against Rome. "Real" Christians were pacifists until "Real" Christians were pacifists until Constantine took control of the Church around 315 AD.

A BIG persecution followed and the Church went underground. Meetings were held in secret. No one was told about meetings until the new person was vetted as trustworthy. Unbaptized new people were not permitted to remain for communion.

In this century, the Truest "Christian" church is probably the underground church in China. In the US, the "tight" Plymouth Brethern still operate under 250 AD rules.



"Real" Christians were pacifists until

 

Is is an explanation of "You are simply pitting ONE TRUTH against ANOTHER TRUTH. What you have said above has NOTHING to do with Matthew 19:28 as Matthew 25:31 demonstrates clearly and nothing of what you have said applies to Titus 3:5."

If the NT was a complete and logical text then it would be consistent and teach ONE TRUTH. In fact, the text teaches several competing "truths."

 

The Generation of Christ has a time to be born !



Matt 1:1

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Jesus Christ had a generation as did Adam Gen 5:1


This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Jesus has a seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

His seed and His generation are the same Ps 22:30

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation

So as Adam had a generation, so also did Christ, and as men were in Adam's generation, by the decree and purpose of God, were born at God's appointed time physically, so are men, that are of Christ's generation are born again at God's appointed time and decree.

For instance, God had appointed a time in His decree of purpose when Noah would be born physically into this world, as he [Noah] was part of the generation of Adam Gen 5:28-29

28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

Noah was born at the exact time that God's Purpose had set, Ecclesiastes 3:1-2

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Noah's time of birth in God's Purpose was not a day early or late, Noah was purposed in the generation of Adam, and so it is with the generation of Christ, Isa 53:10; Ps 22:30, for each member of that generation has a decreed time, according to God's Purpose to be born again of incorruptible seed, to be begotten again 1 Pet 1:3, according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ 2 Tim 1:9 ! Paul is an example of this timing according to God's Purpose 1 Cor 15:8

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Paul's New Birth was according to a Divine Time table as to when Paul would commence his apostleship for the cause of Christ.

Now when Noah was born of Lamech, it was an evidence that Noah was part of the generation of Adam that God Created in Adam Gen 5:1ff; and everyone who mis begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, it is evidence they were part of that generation of Christ Ps 22:30; 1 Pet 2:9

 

Such as?

the SAME author gave us all 66 books, and the Holy Spirit NEVER contridicts Himself!

 

Renewing of the Holy Spirit is obviously related to regeneration in Titus 3:5.

My question is; Did Jesus have, before it was given to him, the promise of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:33? Did Jesus actually have to receive this promise from the Father before the Holy Spirit could be shed, or is that also, "metaphorical" ? As in Titus 3:5 the renewing of the Holy Spirit being related to regeneration, in Acts 2:33 is Jesus having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit related to the Father having raised Jesus from the dead in verse 32?

I say regeneration is speaking of the same thing in Titus and Matthew.

Matt. 20:23 Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: > Is speaking of his death and resurrection is it not?

Would you say the context of that verse would be the true, "Baptismal regeneration,"?

DBY Matt, 19;28 And Jesus said to them, Verily I say unto you, That *ye* who have followed me in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit down upon his throne of glory, *ye* also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Doesn't moving the comma following me above to following regeneration allow this verse to say the exact same thing as Matt. 20:23 above which ends with:
but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but [it shall be given to them] for whom it is prepared of my Father. That is speaking of sitting on his right and left is his kingdom that is the throne of his glory. The time of the regeneration, the resurrection. Compare Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name,
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

According to your concept of regeneration are we presently conformed to the image spoken of in Romans 8:29 or are we more like this, Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:

According to my concept of regeneration that is we following Jesus in regeneration, baptized as he was baptized, see all of Rom 6. Will we not at that time be conformed to the image of his Son because, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. ?