What is settled in Heaven? Poll

Good idea for a poll, Su Wei. Let's see what happens.

 

Bad question

Psalm 119:89 (Geneva Bible):
LAMED. O Lord, thy worde endureth for euer in heauen.

 

Why, Brother Ed??

 

This is interesting.. I haven't voted yet, because I am studying what the word, "word" means in Hebrew.. When David wrote this, he could not have been talking about the NT, let alone the KJV, or anyother translation of the NT, even a lot of the OT wasn't written yet.

Then take into account the way the KJV translators translated the Hebrew word for "word" someplaces they translated it as speech, thing, manner, sake, errand, case, any, advice, dealings, whit, there done, tidings, hurt, acts, chronicles, rate, deed,

And in psalms , it translates the word as word, words, language, matters, disease, iniquities, commandments, signs, promise, affairs,

and in Psalms 119, it translates it as word, words, and wherewith,

My question is why so many different english words for the one hebrew word, and why did the translators choose the word "word"

It could have easily read in Hebrew,
Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy signs is settled in heaven.
Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy disease is settled in heaven.
Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy affairs is settled in heaven.
Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy whit is settled in heaven.
Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy acts is settled in heaven.

Why did they choose "word"?
Were they inspired to do so?

 

None of the above. 'Tis a really good question if you had better answers.

 

Psa 119:89 (KJV1769 Edition with Strong's Numbers:

Forever,5769 O LORD,3068 thy word1697 is settled5324 in heaven.8064

Strong's entry translated here 'word': H1697
דּבר
dâbâr
daw-bawr'
From H1696; a word; by implication a matter (as spoken of) of thing;
adverbially a cause: - act, advice, affair, answer, X any such (thing),
+ because of, book, business, care, case, cause, certain rate,
+ chronicles, commandment, X commune (-ication),
+ concern [-ing], + confer, counsel, + dearth, decree, deed,
X disease, due, duty, effect, + eloquent, errand, [evil favoured-] ness,
+ glory, + harm, hurt, + iniquity, + judgment, language,
+ lying, manner, matter, message, [no] thing, oracle,
X ought, X parts, + pertaining, + please, portion, + power,
promise, provision, purpose, question, rate, reason, report,
request, X (as hast) said, sake, saying, sentence, + sign,
+ so, some [uncleanness], somewhat to say, + song, speech,
X spoken, talk, task, + that, X there done, thing (concerning),
thought, + thus, tidings, what [-soever], + wherewith, which,
word, work.

So this question probably and these answers for sure are
unfruitful lines of inquiry. This verse isn't about the Bible, God's
Holy Written Word (Rhema), this verse is more likely about the
Son of God, Messiah Jesus, God's Holy Living Word (Logos).

2Co 13:1 (KJV1611 Edition):
This is the third time I am comming to you: in the mouth of two
or three witnesses shal euery word be established.

IMHO this Command of the LORD is especially true concerning
the Bible, God's Holy Written Word (Rhema). Yes, here 'word'
is translated from the Greek (rhema), so it is talking about
Bible, God's Holy Written Word.

I believe that God has given us many witnesses, even in English
languages. This verse is very instructive in the GENEVA BIBLE (1587) which
I quoted above, an English Version that pre-dates the
original KJV Edition of 1611.

 

Sister Su Wei in another topic asks:

//gotta say, i'm getting the feeling we don't have the same definition
of "preserved"... how can a certain version or other be
the "current preserved Word"? What exactly is forever settled in heaven? //

I agree, we have many definitions of 'preserved'. What is
your definition?

The very nature of the topic title I took this question from
shows that it is specific versions which are preserved:

The preserved Word of God for ? speaking people.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=31961&page=3

Perchance the secret is in this verse said of Jesus to Peter:
Mat 16:19 (KJV1611 Edition):

And I will giue vnto thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen:
and whatsoeuer thou shalt bind on earth,
shall be bound in heauen: whatsoeuer thou shalt loose on earth,
shall be loosed in heauen.

I believe that God has PRESERVED the Bible, the written word
of God, by many many witnesses, even in English languages. :thumbs:

 

So would a correct way to interpret the word "word" would be something that is manifested from the giver? I am just trying to understand how "word", "saying" and "disease" come from the same Hebrew word.


So could it be interpreted that anything to proceeds from God, or manifested from God is settled in Heaven?

Promises, His Son, the Bible, His deeds, His Judgements, His Blessings, are all then settled in Heaven..

And the word "settled" can mean established.

and TCassidy, what is the correct answer? Am I on the right track?

 

What would be your answer, Dr. TC?

 

The Originals... Nuff Said.

 

Well said, Doctor. I'll have to ponder it. :type:

 

Brother Ed, I don't want to discount your interpretation out of hand, but how can this refer to the Living Word when the rest of the Psalm refers constantly to the "law," etc.? And how can Christ be "settled in Heaven?"

 

I sure did leave a lot of wiggle room with " ... this verse
is more likely about ... " raying:

 

WOW, I was on the right track! Thank you.