What is Sin?

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  1. Heavenly Pilgrim

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    Here is a list of Scriptures that speak to the topic of sin. Obviously they are not all ‘definitions’ of sin, but they do speak concerning the issue of sin. Does anyone find other important verses on sin that we might add to the list in order to make it as complete as we can and to aide us with our definitions of sin?
    1. Ge 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
    2.Gen. 18:20 Sin is grievous
    3. Gen. 31:36 Sin amounts to a trespass
    4. Gen. 39:9 Sin is great wickedness
    5. Ex. 34:9 Sin is iniquity
    6.1Sam.15:23 Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft
    7.Prov.14:34 Sin is a reproach
    8. Prov. 21:4 A high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked is sin
    9. Prov.24:19The thought of foolishness is sin
    10. Ezek. 33:14 Sin is the opposite of lawful and right
    11. John 8:34 He that sins is the servant of sin
    12.Romans 3:20 By the law is the knowledge of sin
    13.Romans 5:13 Sin is not imputed where there is no law
    14. Romans 14:23 Whatsoever is not of faith is sin
    15. Heb 3:13 Deceitfulness is sin
    16. When lust is conceived it bringeth forth sin.
    17. James 4:17 To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin
    18. 1John 3:4 Sin is the transgression of the law
    19. 1 John 3:8; John 8:44 Is of the devil
    20. 1John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin. and there is a sin not unto death
    21.Romans 4:15 for where no law is, there is no transgression
    22. Romans 14:23 Anything not of faith is sin
    23. John 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains."
    24.John 15:24 "If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.
    25. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
     
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    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Sin means to miss the mark. What is the mark? The glory of God. We all have fallen short of the glory of God.
     
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    In the following passage,[ 1 John 16 v 17 ] John mentions that there are two categories of sin. Venial sins weaken the life of grace in the soul and weakens the soul's ability to avoid sin. Mortal sins, by their very nature, literally kill the soul by purposefully eradicating sanctifying grace. Jesus gave all power and authority to His apostles and their replacements [ successors ]along with prespyters, bishops, priests the sacrament of penance in which absolution is received from the biblical ordained decendants of the apostles. It is "in persona Christi". The Holy Bible explains that Jesus recieved all power and authority from the Father and then Jesus turns all power and authority over to His apostles, the Holy Bible is very clear in this explanation of confession and reconciliation.
     
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    Thanks Amy. I added your suggestion to the list as #25. Indeed we have all have came short of the glory of God, and in doing so have sinned.
     
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    Lakeside, could you check your reference? Thanks.

    Could you have been referring to this one?
    1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

    If it is, I believe that is #20 on my initial list.
     
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    Sin is rooted in pride as sin is coming short in all that we do and say for the glory of God. Sin is in its essence the wrong motive for living, thinking, saying, acting out our life.

    Sin is therefore is the root motive, guiding motive that directs the intents and thoughts of the heart:

    Mat. 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

    A persons "thoughts" inclusive of attitudes and actions are evil due to the motive rooted in the heart of every human coming from the womb born of two fallen parents. Children do not need to be taught to do evil as it is rooted in their heart from birth.

    1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

    Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

    Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
     
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    HP: If sin is rooted in pride, then all sin starts with pride and pride is the root motive of sin.

    Then you say Sin is the root motive, not pride.

    Is pride or sin the root motive? If you say pride, is all pride sin? For instance, it might be said, one is proud to be an American. Is that sin?

    Could you be reasoning in a circle in the matter of sin? Sin cannot start with pride if sin is the root motive and not pride. Can you clear this confusion up for us?
     
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    Let me make this as clear and as simply as I possibly can. It is the WRONG MOTIVE that is the sin. The right motive is "for the glory of God." Hence, the WRONG MOTIVE would be anything other than the right motive.

    The WRONG MOTIVE would be characterized by a wrong kind of pride - a pride that will not give the glory to God for all that you are and all that you think, say and do. Hence, the wrong motive refuses submission to God and therefore it is a motive that is at enmity with God's glory and thus at enmity with God Himself.

    This wrong motive is rooted in the human heart (Mt. 15) and is the basis for all the intents and thoughts and desires rising out of the human heart (Mt. 15). It is the poison in the well of the human heart that permeates all the water in the well. It is the sap that flows through the root to all the branches and fruit of human nature.

    Everything man is and does has this evil motive for its root and therefore man sins because he is sinful at the root of his very nature.

    It is inseparable from human nature coming from the womb as it always without exception finds expression in producing evil fruits. NO INFANT NEEDS TO BE TRAINED TO DO EVIL it comes from birth by nature and it is obvious to anyone observing infants who are self-centered from birth.
     
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    "sin" and "sins"

    There is a difference in Scripture.
     
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    Because we are sinful by nature we are sinners by practice. We are sinners by nature due to the fall of human nature into sin "by one man's offence many were MADE SINNERS" just as "by one man" many were condemned, many "be dead" in sin.
     
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    "Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness" (1 Jn.3:4; NIV).

    It is impossible that a baby out of the womb is lawless so no one is sinful by nature from birth.

    "For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well" (Ps.139:13-14).
     
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    Sorry, but you are simply wrong and seriously wrong! Lawlessness refers to any point violated. You need break but one point of the law to be a lawbreaker and thus lawless because one point BREAKS ALL THE LAW!

    Infants are more lawless than adults! How so? They are completely SELF-ABSORBED in everything they are and do. With discipline adults bring some SELFISHNESS under control.

    The root of all sin is WRONG MOTIVE for all that you think and do. The only RIGHT MOTIVE for all that we think or do is "for the glory of God" and sin is coming "short of the glory of God."

    This root of sin is more obvious in infants than any other stage of human development. Infants do not need to be trained to be selfish, hateful, jealous, angry, etc. but it comes FROM THE WOMB BY NATURE.
     
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    If an infant comes out of the womb in a state of sin then we must delude our mind into believing the Lord Jesus also came out of the womb in a state of sin because he was made like us in every way:

    "For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for* the sins of the people" (Heb.2:17).

    Some people do not undetstand the implications of their teachings.
     
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    No brother, that is not taking into consideration the full counsel of God's Word. The curse of sin is passed down through Adam, since Jesus had no earthly father and no blood connection to Adam, He did not have this curse within Him. God cursed the offspring of Adam, Jesus was not conceived from Adam, but by the Holy Ghost.

    Also,

    "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin". (Hebrews 4)
     
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    You select the translation to promote your heresy! No sin could be found "IN" him. You completely ignore the virgin birth. You completely close your eyes to the obnoxious obvious fact that infants are notoriously self-centered by nature. Indeed, if they had grown up bodies they would kill their parents before a week was completed.

    You completely ignore that the root of sin is the WRONG MOTIVE for exisiting and doing all that one does because the only right motive is whatever we say or do, DO ALL FOR THE GLORY OF GOD and all have come short of the glory of God.

    Infants are the most obvious examples of RAW DEPRAVITY within the human race as they are the most SELF ABSORBED of all of humanity and need absolutley no training because they are BORN THAT WAY and must be disciplined or they will DESTROY everything around them that gets in their way.
     
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    The verse I quoted says that He was made like us in every way. Obviously you do not believe that.
    He was tempted but yet he did not sin. that does not change the fact that He was made like us in every way.

    If little children are born in a state of sin then the Lord Jesus would not have said the following about them:

    "Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven" (Mt.19:13-14).

    Are we to believe that the Lord believed that infants are "children of wrath" but yet He would say of them that "such is the kingdom of heaven"? Of course not! Children are described as being "an heritage of the Lord":

    "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward" (Ps.127:3).

    According to your ideas the fruit of the womb which is the Lord's heritage is a spiritually dead baby!

    Let us look at how the Calvinists portray God. According to them our Maker makes us "wholly" inclined to all evil and opposite to all good:
     
    "From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions" (The Westminster Confession of Faith; VI/4).
     
    And then when man does exactly what he was designed to do God punishes him severely:
     
    "...the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds...unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil" (Ro.2:5-6,8-9).
     
    The God which is portrayed here is not the God of the Bible.
     
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    YOu select a translation to support your unbiblical theory. The underlying Greek text does not demand that translation.

    He was not made like us in "every way"! He was God in the flesh and WE ARE NOT. He was made by VIRGIN BIRTH and WE ARE NOT. He was made without a SELF-CENTERED nature due to virgin birth but every child born of parents is SELF-CENTERED by nature and must be disciplined or else they are destructive to all about them. Jesus was not!


    Such are not of the kingdom of heaven in the sense you interpret this text. There are no children in heaven in unglorified flesh and blood. Thus there are no children in heaven sinful in nature. The children in heaven are not only sinless but incapable of sinning, incapable of dying but such is not the case of those that came to Jesus.

    Little children old enough to come to Jesus on their own are not sinless children. They exhibit lying, anger, hatefulness but the children in heaven DO NOT!
     
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    "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren" (KJV).

    "Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren," (NKJV).

    "Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us" (NLT).

    "Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect" (ESV).

    "Therefore, He *had to be made like His brethren in all things" (NASB).

    "Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect" (RSV).

    "Wherefore it behooved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren" (ASV).

    "wherefore it did behove him in all things to be made like to the brethren" (YLT).

    "Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like to [his] brethren" DBY).

    "Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like [his] brethren" (WEB).
     
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    My mistake! You have my apologies. I will eat crow on that aspect of our discussion.

    You are correct in regard to the translation but wrong in regard to your application as I pointed out in my previous post.

    The reason you are wrong in regard to your application is that you fail to consider the EXCEPTIONS provided by other scriptures and some of those exceptions are quite obvious as those I pointed out in my previous post.

    He was made the "second Adam" and thus like the "first Adam" without sin. No man took His life, He laid it down and had power to raise it back up.

    Another point that he was not made like all other men is the way he came into the world - he had no human father and that is significant in our discussion.
     
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