What is Socialism and Who is Engaging in it in the United States?

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  1. KenH

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    Socialism is where the government owns the means of production and controls the distribution of goods. I have not heard Barack Obama advocate anything like that.

    If anyone has acted socialistically it is the current Republican administration by taking over partial ownership of banks.

    Progressive taxation is not socialism. It is simply a method of funding government services. Not even John McCain is against progressive taxation:

    STUDENT: I still don't see how that's fair...aren't we getting closer and closer to Socialism and stuff...?

    MCCAIN: Look, here's what I really believe: That when you are, when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.

    - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/mccain-in-2000.html
     
  2. sag38

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    Take it away from the hard working citizen and give it to the citizen who doesn't work. Sounds like socialism to me and it exactly what the messiah is promoting on a much greater scale.
     
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    Maxine Waters, D-Cal., has advocated the U.S. government seizing control of the oil industry. Demoncrats have been advocating government run health care for some time now. Obama has promised to bankrupt the coal industry with regulations.

    Step by step, we are moving closer to socialism. Our freedom will be lost when we turn it over to the demoncrats.

    peace to you:praying:
     
  4. KenH

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    1) Got any proof?

    2) What do you call what the Republican Bush administration is doing with banks right now?
     
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    How is this for proof:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ


    Do you know how many people that will put out of work? Especially in areas like Virginia and Kentucky. Those economies are tough enough as it is. But hey lets all worship the creation instead of the creator.
     
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  6. KenH

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    Your soundbite, Pastor Mitchell, is referring to old technology coal plants. We need clean coal technology(I assume you want breathable air) and Barack Obama is totally behind this use of coal:

    Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology. Carbon capture and storage technologies hold enormous potential to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions as we power our economy with
    domestically produced and secure energy. As a U.S. Senator, Obama has worked tirelessly to
    ensure that clean coal technology becomes commercialized. An Obama administration will
    provide incentives to accelerate private sector investment in commercial scale zero‐carbon coal
    facilities. In order to maximize the speed with which we advance this critical technology, Barack
    Obama and Joe Biden will instruct DOE to enter into public private partnerships to develop 5 “first‐of‐a‐kind” commercial scale coal‐fired plants with carbon capture and sequestration.​

     
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    Ken you should actually listen to the thng That way you would know what you are talking about. Campaign talking points from his website means nothng. He has already prepared his troops to begin working to lower expectations of his potential admin. He is a liar and was caught red handed discussing his disdain for an industry that employs amny people in this country as well as provideds a source of energy.
     
  8. KenH

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    I did. I also like to read the actual proposed policy listed in some detail, as opposed to 5 second sound bites.

    Barack Obama will be our next president so all of your complaining isn't doing any good as far as the outcome two days from now.
     
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    That 5 seconds said more than all the lies on his site that he now has his staff preparing to down play.
     
  10. KenH

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    I could not disagree more.
     
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    I know but you are buying into the lies Obama has told and that he is now preparing his staff to downplay should he be elected.
     
  12. KenH

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    Barack Obama is not lying about his policy positions regardless of how many times you claim he is, Pastor Mitchell.

    Have a pleasant evening, brother. :)
     
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    Actyally he is and he knows it:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=54565
     
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    Except, as Ken has pointed out, that isn't socialism, it's progressive taxation, which most western governments have adopted to a greater or lesser extent.
     
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    It's a continuum.

    At some point a more progressive taxation system kills free enterprise and the incentive to work hard.

    At some point there is a disconnect between work and reward and the system stalls.

    With our economy slowing we need less progressive taxes not more progressive.

    More progressive taxes will slow the economy and an Obama adminstration will see that as a sign that the government needs to be in more and more control until we ultimately arrive at a defacto Socialistic system.
     
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    It is socialism plain and simple.
     
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    Er...no it isn't. Plain and simple. Tell me, have you ever been to a socialist country? I have - the former USSR. No-one owned their own property there, for starters, nor was there any private ownership of industry or indeed business of any sort - except on the black market. I haven't seem Obama advocating anything even vaguely approaching that; even Conservative governments over here have stuck with the progressive taxation system.
     
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    What is socialism? To answer the question simply, it is democracy with social responsibility. Simple as that. In Canada, we don't lose our homes because we becme ill. We don't have personal bankruptcies to the tune of 75% because of medical bills we can't pay.

    Canada supports private industry, government encourages it.

    We have more freedoms in Canada than you will even imagine in the US of A, and we have had a social democracy for years.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Did I read about a pastor in Canada that was arrested for passing out a pamphlet on a public sidewalk that pointed out errors/dangers of teaching Islam in the public schools? Wasn't he arrested for hate speech against Islam? Was that in Canada?

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Could be. I didn't hear that one.

    But, you might know, back in the 50's we had Baptist preachers arrested in Quebec for passing out tracts and street preaching the gospel. That was under a government before we adopted social reform.

    Democracy is not absolute freedom. It is freedom under law. Laws which protect all citizens, including those citizens who happen to hold different religions.

    Would you support the so-called Baptist preacher in the USA who goes about preaching hate..I forget his name, but think it is Phelps, or something like that!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     

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