What is the capitol of Israel?

http://unitedwithisrael.org/jerusalem-or-tel-aviv/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

 

Well if you want we can both just post innane Scripture passages that have nothing to do with the topic....or we can stick to the finer points of this discussion. Just sayin...

No I didn't say that. If you need to, just go back and read my post...slowly at first. My point is that Israel is not present in a futuristic sense and only referred to historically. There is no eschatological future for genetic Jews who don't accepted Jesus Christ as Messiah while in this life. Likewise there is no eschatological future for a reconstituted Israel. This is only found in overblown dispensational eschatology. When Israel is referred to in Revelation (which is a lot like the rest of the NT) it is drawing on a reference or extending and allusion. The book of Revelation is heavily influenced by Jewish apocalyptic literature from the first and pre-first century communities. The faithful Israelites who were believing in the Messiah in the OT times, prior to the New Covenant, have received eternal life...now the faithful believers in the New Covenant receive the same life.

 

Please show us the specific places you're talking about. Please don't include post-captivity passages either.

 

Sounds like you're more caught up in schooling and what you've been told rather than what the word actually says. All this eschatological stuff has you sounding like the progressives.:laugh:

 

Romney's Mormon Beliefs Came Through, Loud and CLear!

...I may not believe the Mormons are anything more than a cult, but at least they know their Bible, and they are supportive of Israel.

Chalk one up for Mitt! :wavey:

 

I agree that the White House spokesman should have given an answer.

I agree that the world, including the US should recognise Israel's choice of their capital. However, fear has more than once dictated US policy. It does it in Jerusalem, it did it with President Clinton in Somalia, and it did with President Reagan in the Lebanon.

I don't think President Obama deserves any more criticism than President Bush or Clinton, both of whom could have already done this.

I also know it is easier to talk as a candidate than act as president. I suspect that if Governor Romney is elected this issue will fade away into the woodwork and he will not be criticised because he is a Republican.

However, this is a political matter, not a religious one.

Even if I accept the contention that 'God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel' as applicable to the current State of Israel having the embassy in Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem hardly amounts to a curse.

But those words have nothing to do with the Zionist state created by the UN in 1948. It is a secular, political state with its own agenda of self interest.

The 'born in a day claim' from Isaiah 66 is simply biblical misinterpretation. No matter how hard one tries they cannot make it fit. Any nation which declares their independence is, in that same sense 'born in a day.' Israel's birth took many years of hard work and political effort. Contrary to what Isaiah 66.7 says the birth of Israel was not accomplished without labour pains. Over six million innocent Jews made the labour that resulted in modern Israel's birth terribly and tragically painful.

Israel deserves American support because she has proven herself a long term ally. She deserves for Washington to recognise her capital because she is an ally. President Clinton should have done it. President Bush should have done it. President Obama should do. If elected President Romney should follow through and do it.

But God is not going to punish Americans because her government does not recognise the right city as capital of modern Israel.

Jerusalem will always be the spiritual capital of spiritual Israel. All the rest is secular politics.

 

It's called Replacement Theology, Zaac. Originated with some early church fathers such as Augustine. (and the Catholic church)

http://carm.org/questions-replacement-theology

I had never heard of Replacement Theology (raised Baptist & Baptist church memberships) until I came to this board.

 

Yeah, theology...whew...it's a humdinger ain't it...

At this point you're clearly not able to substantively interact with anything I'm posting. I renew my call on you show us your points from specific Scriptural interaction.

 

My belief is that this president is a muslim (in islam, you are a muslim if your father is a muslim and that is how the muslim world sees him, plus he bowed to the Saudi king, sending a coded message to the islamic world early in his presidency, first 100 days). See my link on obama's record on Israel:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=80381

One BIG thing that disturbed me about Bush was him (US) partnering with the UN, EU, and Russia, the "quartet" for the Road Map for Israel, or Road Map from Hell, as I call it.

The elected leader of the Palestinians, President Mahmoud Abbas provided the funds to carry out the Black September attack when the Israeli Olympians were murdered in Munich. These are the same terrorist leaders we have bowed to as a nation because of the Political Correctness of our leaders.

I believe the situation will change with a President Romney, not because he is a good guy, but a relationship with Israel (political and spiritual) is at the core of Mormon beliefs. I would have to research further, but I am not aware that the Mormon church believes in Replacement Theology.

GW Bush would because he was an Episcopalian and Methodist (as I recall) whose denominations believe in Replacement Theology. Clinton, well, what can we say about Bill Clinton? Yassar Arafat was a terrorist who signed the "Peace Accords."

Yet every day, even with these "peace accords" missles are fired into Israel, every day. Every day.

Gaza - an interesting note, when the Israelis gave up Gaza under pressure from GW Bush and the quartet, they lost revenue, millions of dollars of revenue, food, and more. Interestingly, the very day after Israel withdrew from Gaza, displacing their own citizens, a tropical storm started to brew named Katrina. How many thousands of citizens were displaced in the US due to that little tropical storm, Katrina.

I already know I will be called a nut job by some who believe in Replacement Theology on this board, but I can start another thread and show you cause and effect from the US government (and perhaps others) and Israel, remembering whoever "blesses Israel will be blessed, whoever curses Israel will be cursed..." when I get the time to research it for you. Or you can research it on your own. The information is available. - LE

PS: I do not want this thread to veer off into a Replacement Theology vs premill, postmill or amill thread because of past food fights in other forums, I only pasted the link for informative puposes only. If a discussion is to ensue about eschatology, please take it to the appropriate forums above where you will be joined by grasshopper and others.

 

AMEN!!! Looking forward to seeing Jesus and leaving all this mess behind. :laugh:

 

Umm, you're not the king. You don't dictate what passages get posted. Frame YOUR conversation. You don't get to frame mine.:wavey:

 

And I don't believe that you read anywhere that anyone said THAT. However the current administration's very public refusal to recognize the capital of Israel that Israel recognizes highlights the administration's continued hostility towards Israel.

And for THIS, the continued animosity towards Israel, God's hand will come against the US, the nation, in some form.

 

At this point, and after reading the link Lady Eagle posted (thanks LadyE), I don't need to substantively or otherwise interact with you or anything you're posting.

There's no difference between this replacement theology than is any of the other false teaching that centers around not dealing with the words on the page.

So ta ta.:wavey:

 

Excellent informative post!!!:applause:

 

I am interested in your view of Isaiah 66.7 which says, according to your interpretation of the passage, that Israel's birth would be without labour pains. Yet, 6 million Jews died to prepare for it and the country was attacked the supposed 'day of birth.' I don't see how that fits the rest of your interpretation of Isaiah 66.

 

Where have I said Israel's birth would be without labor pains? Pick a version of 66:7 and I'll address it.

And I didn't give you an interpretation of Isaiah 66. I told you what a VERSE says and that verse is applicable to the creation of Israel in one day.

 

Class, here we have two examples of the "Artful Dodge" attempt at avoiding conversations. This argumentative fallacy is often employed by individuals who either are cornered and know they cannot fully respond coherently and maintain their position...or have been bested and are looking for a way out of the discussion. There are others reasons some employ this tactic, but they all trace back to a lack of intellectual rigor or honesty.



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You can either show evidence for your bloviated position or just run and hide. I don't care either way. At this point you're little more than a rhetorical stuffed shirt who makes a lot of sound but has little substance. It's common around here so you've got friends, but it still shows your true colors.

So put up a robust defense or run away...I'll be hanging out and not holding my breath.

 

In my neck of the woods we refer to this type of behavior as someone whose gone to sniffing himself.

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This first semester philosophy of religion word speak along with words like heiferdust, and red herring, and strawman, and fill-in-the-blank fallacy sits right over there in the corner with progressive terminology and reflects nothing but a schooling that some seem to think others are as impressed by as they seem to be.

:laugh: I don't recall asking for input from any particular person.

Opinions need defense. The truth of God just repeats itself. :laugh: