What is the Gift of Righteousness ?

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    Rom 5:17

    17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ )

    What is the Gift of Righteousness ? This Gift of Righteousness is Righteousness imputed or charged to ones account, freely and undeservedly as a Gift. Remembers Pauls words in Rom 4:6

    6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

    Thats Righteousness imputed without works,not for anything we did, not even our act of believing, for believing is our act and work ! But its that Gift of Righteousness stated in Rom 5:17, its charged or imputed due to that abundance of Grace.

    This Gift of Righteousness imputed is not a offer made to one and then its up to the one to accept it or not, want it or not, No thats an error started by the devil, but its an Gift in this wise:

    Say you have incurred a burden of debt to a creditor, and this weighs upon you heavily, then one day you receive a letter in the mail from the Creditor stating that, congratulations, your debt has been paid in full, you are free from the debt you owed ! Then thats not all, the Creditor goes on to inform you in the Letter received, that you have been given a benefaction charged to your account of 5 Million to the good ! Now was the 5 Million to the good a offer ? No it was given as a Gift, as well as the release from the former debt.

    Now the 5 Million dollars charged to this former debtors account Illustrates that Gift of Righteousness Imputed in both Rom 4:6 and Rom 5:17, it was out of the abundance of Grace that this debtor had his debt discharged and 5 Million credited to his good. Now was either the discharge of debt or the money bestowed an offer ? No they were given as a Gift !

    The thing about is this, the debtor never knew that these gracious transactions had occurred on his behalf, until he has been informed of it, which made it to him Good News. Even if the debtor finds the good news hard to believe at first, the transactions has nevertheless been completed, and he just needs to be more and more persuaded of it by the Gracious Creditor, And that is why the Gospel is sent to them that have been made debt free and made rich towards God, and the Gospel to them is the persuading power of God, which persuades them into believing Rom 1:16-17 !
     
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    The gift must be received, it can be rejected you know, by unbelief.
     
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    The Gift of Righteousness

    We have no righteousness in and of ourselves. That miraculous Gift is imparted to those receive, believe, trust, confess, profess Jesus as Savior (Romans 10:8-13). HE imparts HIS Righteousness. :godisgood:
     
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    The Elect of God shall receive Jesus thru faith and receive eternal life in His name, while the rest shall stay lost in their sins...
     
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    Did you understand the post ? Please review the points I made with me !
     
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    So everyone's saved; a lot of people just don't know it. Interesting.
     
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    Christ death and resurrection secured a real salvation, but the sinner still must receive it thru faith to have it applied as effectual unto them!
     
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    Isn't that what some teach though? that death of jesus made them already saved and reconciled back to God, even if they neber respond in their lifetime to Him?
     
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    The Gift of Righteousness

    No. That is a misunderstanding.

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    Your take on the gift of righteousness is off the mark and out of context

    First, the church at large is horrendously guilty of diminishing the distinction between the inner man and outer man. God makes each aspect of a man righteous (or sinless) in a proper order. This has the potential to get really long, so I'll actively work to keep it brief


    At conversion, our inner man is cleansed of sin, washed by the blood of Jesus, we BECOME the righteousness of God. Much, much further than simply being "declared" righteous. We are actually born again. Forever perfected by the blood of Christ (Heb 10:14). And we are not able to sin (1John 3:9). THis is our inner man.

    But we still dwell in a corrupted tent, the flesh. Our physical body, not some mystical notion of "flesh" being an internal attribute. In the resurrection, our body will be born again. Matt 19:28, where Jesus is talking about the resurrection, says "In The Born Again" (or regeneration).

    Same word that Paul used in Titus 3:5 when he said we were saved by the "washing of born again"


    The context of Romans 5 is physical resurrection. But, not everyone can see it because of being preprogrammed to think of certain words as having only one theological meaning.

    Start at the beginning of the chapter...Having been justified. Paul was finished talking about our inner man being justified by faith. Now he is moving on to talking about our bodily resurrection.

    Having been justified by His blood, we shall be "saved" by His life.

    Justified by His blood is PAST tense. Shall be saved is FUTURE tense. Saved by what? His LIFE. His resurrection. He is the first fruits of resurrection.

    Paul also talks about how this death he speaks of is on account of Adam. What was cursed when Adam sinned? the GROUND, from whence he came. And we are all procreated from Adam, so we are all cursed to die physically.

    Compare this with 1Cor 15:20-22
     
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    So true. Once born again, we are equipped with the Spiritual Nature.

    HOWEVER, that old sinful nature still hangs around. It and the Spiritual Nature will be opposites until death or the Rapture. When we yield to sin, sinful nature rears its ugly head. Spiritual Nature says "Whoa! Wait a minute.....remember: 'I am the Righteousness of God in Christ, a New Creation in Him.'"

    As a Christian, you've previously confessed Romans 10:8-13; now you go to 1 John 1:9 to enjoy restoration of fellowship (not having to do with "lost" salvation), in accordance with that profound promise. The "unrighteousness" identified there is yielding to the temptation of that old sinful nature, the one we acquired when we walked out on God waaaaaaaaay back there in Eden!

    "The Light goes on!"
     
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    So how do you reconcile the Bible saying "For by grace are ye saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8a) with this apparent notion that simply exercising faith is a work? We have to have faith to get saved, and we know that we are not saved by works, so that no man can boast that he saved himself.

    I don't understand this idea that simply having faith is a work. I've always understood the Biblical definition of works to be those deeds we do for the glory of the Lord, or in opposition to the Lord. We are not saved by our works, but rather our works are a direct result of our salvation.

    Then again, according to your post, apparently my beliefs are "an error started by the devil." :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    can he produce ANY NT verse that supports that one can and is saved apart from receiving Lord jesus by/thru faith in Him and his work on their behalf?
     
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    What contradiction ? You the one saying there is a contradiction, then prove it !

    I just showed you that Faith is a work of the Law that ought to be done Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    A work according to the greek word ergon strongs 2041 :


    I.business, employment, that which any one is occupied

    A.that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking



    II.any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind


    III.an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

    Its not limited to that, Look at the definition of the word and learn something !
     
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    Has anyone made note of the audience, the addressees, in this verse? Woe to who? Pay what? Weightier matters of what? Are we Christians Scribes and Pharisees? Are we obligated to pay THE tithe? Do we observe matters of law? Do we engage in Judgment? Is our Faith in mercy and faith?

    The audience, the addressees, obviously are Jews within the Hebrew Bible.

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    It doesnt matter who Jesus was speaking to, what He stated to them was a Fact and a Truth ! Faith is a weightier work of the Law that they ought to have done !
     
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    Okay, now you have blatantly changed the wording of the scripture. Is it a matter of the law or a work of the law?


    And I explained to you in the other thread that you cannot say faith is a work, and then still believe in the accuracy of Ephesians 2, which states that we are saved by grace through FAITH, and not of WORKS.

    Think of it like this, because this is the scenario you are presenting:
    1. we are saved by FAITH
    2. we are NOT saved by WORKS
    3. FAITH is a WORK
    Do you still not see the contradiction in your stated position? You accuse others of having a contradictory position when it is in fact you holding the contradiction.

    You've yet to state how you reconcile your position on this, but instead you've stubbornly driven ahead with this notion of yours that is refuted by scripture, though you won't admit it.
     
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    Yes he can, faith is a work, it's our responsibility to exercise it.

    Ah, the blinders of 'sola fide'!

    Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2:24

    That is the ONLY mention of 'faith alone' to be found in the entire Bible.

    Have you ever considered this 'contradiction' PT?:

    ......by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 2:16

    ......the doers of the law shall be justified Ro 2:14
     
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    To me, easily explained by Eph 2:10 - we are saved unto good works, not because of them. This reconciles with James where we read that we show our faith by our works.
     
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    So if something is only mentioned once in the Bible it is of lesser weight than things mentioned many times? What about doctrines we hold from scriptural inference, but are not clearly and succinctly stated in scripture, such as the Trinity? Or do you not hold to an allowance of scriptural inference, KYR?

    And yes, I do believe that we are saved by faith alone. I also believe that works are a result of our faith. If we truly have faith I believe we are truly inspired toward good works for the Lord. The works themselves do not save us, as that has already happened, by faith.

    I'll be honest, KYR, I don't see a contradiction there when the entirety of the chapters are taken into consideration. We're all guilty of cherry-picking scripture to make points, but in the case you are presenting, a contextual look sheds enough light on those two verses to reveal that they are not in contradiction to one another.

    Romans 2 contains Paul beginning an argument against what amounts to the foundation of Jewish faith and also a railing against the attitude of inherent superiority some Jews held over Gentiles. Paul is telling them that the Gentiles were not given the Law, and yet they kept some of the things in the Law, and basically kept them as good or better than the Jews did, so it became a law in themselves, with no outward sign of the law. The Jews, meanwhile, had an outward sign of the law: circumcision. But Paul tells them that in breaking the law, their circumcision becomes uncircumcision. The Gentiles, on the other hand, have their uncircumcision counted unto them for circumcision by keeping the law that is apparent to them through nature. In Romans 1 Paul states that God and God's Law are apparent in nature, but the wickedness of man turned them from it. Obviously, though, Paul is stating that some kept to what was right.

    Remember this, too: Who is a doer of the Law? Who, of the human race, according to scripture, kept the whole Law in righteousness? I don't find a single human being who kept the entire Law without breaking even one tiny portion of it. So Paul is setting up a rhetorical device for an argument against the Jews who thought their Law-abiding would justify them. No one, not Jew or Gentile, has kept the Law, therefore none can be justified by doing the Law. Keeping only a portion of the Law, even if it is some figure as high as 99 percent of the Law, is incapable of justifying the doer. As James 2:10 states "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

    Galatians 2 is, in many ways, an addendum to this argument. It is the natural conclusion that, if no man is capable of keeping the whole Law, even though he can keep portions of it, he cannot be justified by it. Therefore man must really on faith alone in Jesus Christ for his salvation. And, to journey back to the original thought, if faith is counted as a work, and we see here that works do not justify us, then how are we saved?

    I wish I was a theological scholar who could better explain that. But that's my view on it.
     

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