What is the real concern about End of life counseling?

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  1. Revmitchell

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    This has become a political issue these days. Those who do not want to deal with real concerns simply dance around the issue by claiming scare tactics. Such lacks honesty and refuses to deal with the American people. So here are some real and genuine concerns outside of the fact that this bill is unconstitutional.


     
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    Here is more info on this matter:


    http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN06415881

    So we just let them die because of their age. This is just sick to be preying on seniors with this talk of giving up rather than fighting to live all for the sake of cost and for the so called greater good. Talk about total depravity. Talk about age discrimination...and this brand of discrimination will lead to an early death.
     
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    I heard Bill O'Reilly discuss the case of Barbara Wagner last night. Your comments reminded me of her case so I looked up a news story about it. Ms. Wagner died (**see note) of cancer after she was denied treatment under the Oregon Health Plan. Even though the Plan denied coverage for her treatment, they did offer to kill her (euthanasia). It is a very frightening example of how government is not capable of being in charge of people's health insurance. Ms. Wagner did get the medication and died (**see note) even with the medicine, but the state should never have denied her coverage for the medicine. The state board should certainly never have offered to kill her since it would be cheaper. Get the federal government involved in the insurance business and you can rest assured that immorality, politics, and incompetence, will make cases like Ms. Wagner a regular occurance.

    Beyond the healthcare plans being unconstitutional, the main reasons to oppose Obamacare is (a) the federal government cannot afford such plans and (b) that will lead to higher taxes and an exessive amount of red tape in the healthcare industry. People who want a government option don't realize that they will only be trading one set of problems for a larger set of problems. Government cannot fix healthcare, it can only make it worse.

    The story can be found here.

    **Note: O'Reilly claimed the lady has died. I have been unable to confirm that at this point.

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    The goals are strictly material......
    To reduce cost.....

    And reduce the value of life.

    Evil.
     
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    From the story:



    That's right just who does Oregon or Obama think they are? I will tell you, they think they are the people to force you to consider the liberal perception of the greater good. This is pure evil.
     
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    No doubt about that (2Tim 3:13).
     
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    In another state we had parents who were arrested because they did not want chemo for their son but wanted alternative medicines out of their own pocket. And here we have a Senior who wants it and cannot get it. This country can be such a walking contradiction when it suits the political needs of others.
     
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    When law is just the same values apply. But man is incapable of making just law. The 10 commandments were the most complete and absolute law ever received by man. They contain all we need for civil life.
     
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    I suppose you've never heard of insurance companies refusing to pay for expensive treatment that has a very low chance of being successful? I know they don't pay for experimental treatment. In effect, they are giving the patient a death sentence by doing that but who's willing to pay for unrealistic treatment. Are you as a taxpayer willing to pay for that? The insurance companies are certainly unwilling to pay for that. The patients are unwilling or unable to pay for that. Their family could hock everything they have to pursue a long shot treatment but I've never heard of them being willing to pay for that. We don't like to admit it but sometimes people will die because no body is willing to pay for this kind of treatment.


    The Oregon Health Plan Is A Business Not A Caretaker


    For Themselves, Their Lives, And Others
    http://magnasententia.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/the-oregon-health-plan-is-a-business-not-a-caretaker/

    Barbara Wagner, 64, was a “lifelong smoker” until being “diagnosed with lung cancer in 2005.” (“Death Drugs Cause Uproar In Oregon”) Recently, her state-run health insurance company, the Oregon Health Plan, sent her a rejection letter stating that while it would not pay for a “$4000-a-month” last-resort treatment because it does not meet their “five-year, 5 percent rule,” it would pay for the drugs she would need for a “physician-assisted death,” which “cost about $50.” (Its Death with Dignity Law makes Oregon the only state in which it’s legal for terminally ill patients to commit physician-assisted suicide.)

    Taxpayers are paying for Ms. Wagner’s healthcare, and to put an emotional spin on the Oregon Health Plan’s decision to reject Ms. Wagner’s request for a “$4,000-a-month” last-resort treatment, when the decision was clearly based on economic considerations, is misleading and perpetuates the victimization mentality that is so common in today’s society.

    The ending always begins at the beginning: Ms. Wagner chose to smoke all of her life, and it is a widely known fact that smoking greatly increases your chances of getting lung cancer. Sorry to say it, but there is always a payday someday. The Oregon Health Plan has already paid for Ms. Wagner to receive “thousands of dollars worth of chemotherapy, radiation, a special bed and a wheelchair,” and at some point, they need to cut their losses.

    Health insurance companies are businesses, and if businesses make poor financial decisions, they do not survive. There is absolutely no way a business can stay in operation without being financially responsible, which means that expenditures must be prioritized. The Oregon Health Plan is not callous, uncaring, cruel, or any other negative adjective some wish to apply to them; rather, they are trying to prioritize their funds, and Ms. Wagner is paying the ultimate price for not taking responsibility for her health.

    The inclusion of their pre-approval of drugs for a “physician-assisted death” in Oregon Health Plan’s rejection letter to Ms. Wagner is really a moot point: No one is forcing her to commit suicide. The Oregon Health Plan was just trying to inform Ms. Wagner of her options, and a “physician-assisted death” is an option that many in Oregon have fought very hard to have.
     
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    alatide

    You are just taking up space on the page. Everyone knows what you are going to say before you type it in. You could go the simple route and say: Obama is lord!
     
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    >The 10 commandments were the most complete and absolute law ever received by man. They contain all we need for civil life.

    The devil is in the details. Want to live under the 10? That is the goal of Christian Reconstructionists (several of Bush's moral advisers e.g. the political lobby posing as a church in DC, forget the name). They intend to impose the 10 upon the world as they interpret it.

    Only "real" Christians would be franchised which eliminates Dispensational Baptists. You would be permitted to live under their rule but could not vote.

    see www.freebooks.com Read a few thousand pages of Gary North's material for free.
     
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    Of course I have heard of that. But I don't know of any private insurance company that has denied coverage for a drug then turned around and offered a euthanasia drug instead. Only a government would be dumb enough to pull that stunt. It is immoral for any private company or government to suggest a person kill themselves.


    There are some cases in which that is certainly an issue. And, as I said, the case in Oregon might have been one of them. But who determines what an unrealistic treatment is? The federal government? I certainly hope not.

    This is true, but the federal government has no business getting involved. They should stick with messing up and bankrupting the programs (etc) they already have control over.
     

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