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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Van, Jul 8, 2015.

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  1. Eliyahu

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    Sharp and Excellent Point! :thumbs:


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    Hi Martin, the three timescales actually only refer to two. (1) Before the foundation of the world, before times eternal, and (2) during and after creation, "in the beginning" from the beginning, and from the foundation of the world. It is staggeringly obvious scripture speaks of two timescales, before creation and during/after creation. The election before creation was corporate, the target group of God's redemption plan, and the election during/after creation was individual, through faith in the truth.



    We were chosen through faith, not saved through faith, according to scripture. Thus faith before election, regeneration and justification and becoming the righteousness of God.
     
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    Since the atonement of Jesus was to be seen in the primary fashion of being a Penal Substitionary one, then jesus death was for individual sinners, to them that were to be chosen by the father from eternity past...

    Corporate election would fit into OT covenant, as God indeed had a covenant relationship with the nation of isreal, but in the New covenant, he has one with us now on an individual basis, with all of the saved making up his true church!
     
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    Christ died for all, He laid down His life as a ransom for all, He tasted death for everyone, thus His death was for all sinners, those to be saved and those never to be saved. But we were chosen individually through faith in the truth during our lifetime, i.e. from the foundation of the world and not before. From the beginning and not before. Therefore, QED, the election before the foundation of the world was corporate. :)

    The righteousness of God is a simple concept, He is flawless, and in Christ, we are made flawless. Thus we become the righteousness of God.
     
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    Again, on what basis were we chosen and found to be now in christ, based upon what God chose to do for us first, or in a response to what we chose to do for ourselves?
     
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    We were chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Did God give His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life? Yes.
     
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    Boy are you confused! You're all over the place.The elect were chosen before the foundation of the world. (Eph.1:4) Before the beginning of time (2 Tim.1:9)

    We were not chosen during our lifetime.

    During our lieftime does not mean from the foundation of the world. Do you even know what i.e. means? It means that is, or in essence.

    It's quite the stretch for you to use "therefore" when nothing you said before made any sense. But to insert QED is positively absurd.

    The Archangel schooled you on this 9/15/2011:
    "QED is reserved for a logical, systematic or mathematical proof and the 'QED' is added to emphasize the proof of some idea through the aforementioned logical, systematic, or mathematical process."

    "You have only offered opinion. QED does not refer to opinion."

    Hence, your affectation should be disgarded --i.e. thrown out with the trash.
     
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    Mr. Rippon likes to disparage others, "boy you are confused." But does he provide evidence? Nope. Charge-o-matic machines hurl claims, vilify others, and obfuscate as they derail discussion.

    He says the elect were chosen before foundation of the world, but leaves out that was a corporate election. He seems unaware that 2 Thessalonians says people are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. And when did we obtain faith in the truth. Before conception or during our lifetime. Thus it is QED that we were chosen during our lifetime through faith in the truth.

    BTW, although irrelevant, from the foundation of the world refers to anytime between creation, i.e. from the beginning, to the end of the age. Tomorrow will still be within the time-span indicated by "from the foundation of the world."

    At the end of the day, ad homenims demonstrate an inability to defend logically.
     
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    Can't admit you are wrong.
     
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    You can lead some to the evidence, but you cannot make them think.

    At the end of the day, ad homenims demonstrate an inability to defend logically.

    He says the elect were chosen before foundation of the world, but leaves out that was a corporate election. He seems unaware that 2 Thessalonians says people are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. And when did we obtain faith in the truth. Before conception or during our lifetime. Thus it is QED that we were chosen during our lifetime through faith in the truth.

    And after we are individually given to Christ, transferred into the kingdom of His Son, we undergo the circumcision of Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, having become the righteousness of God.
     
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