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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by DaChaser1, Jan 18, 2012.
what does it mean to us for today?
The inner peace, enjoyment, and clear conscience that comes from a covenant relationship with the Saviour. The land of milk & honey. The timely aspects of our salvation.
Does it have anything to do from 'resting" from the burden of trying to keep the Law in a saving way, as the law could not do for us what the Gospel of grace did? Resting from trying to earn merit by keeping the law, and now trusting in the finished work of Christ?
No.....you missed it.
'In a saving way', I presume you mean eternal life by that. The type shows that it is the work of God that has delivered us from the house of bondage and curse of the law:
I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Ex 20:2
3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand Jehovah brought you out from this place.....
9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thy hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the law of Jehovah may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath Jehovah brought thee out of Egypt.
14 And it shall be, when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand Jehovah brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage: Ex 13
I consider the 'sabbath rest, i.e., the land of milk of honey, to be synonymous with the kingdom of God, which is available to the redeemed born from above children through their faith and obedience to the gospel:
for the kingdom of God is ......righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Ro 14:17
John 3 teaches that before one can enter into, or even see this kingdom, one must first be born from above.
Forgot to mention, the vast majority of those that God redeemed from the land of bondage 'turned back in their hearts unto Egypt'.
ok.....lets do it a step at a time...
Where was the first sabbath mentioned in scripture?:wavey::wavey:
Hello DaChaser, this will be brief, as I have no time this morning, however, you ask an extrememly important question which, when answered will help in understanding Hebrews as a whole.
I would first ask a few questions: Where in Hebrews do we see a "Sabbath Day's Rest?"
Secondly, I would ask, "Who is in view when the Rest of Hebrews is spoken about?"
Third, "What is it that kept the people in view from entering into rest?"
Lastly, "When is the Rest given to them?"
Look forward to discussing this.
RE:Sabbath keeping in Hebrews.
The English word "sabbath" does not occur in the KJV Book of Hebrews, only in the Greek original language mss.
KJV Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
ASV Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
The Greek root word is sabbatismos (sabbath-rest or sabbath-keeping).
The context of Hebrews Chapter 4 in given in the first verse:
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
It's all about the rest provided to the people of God (of any age) by God Himself.
To cease from human effort and "enter" this rest by faith.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The earthly seventh day sabbath was a provision of physical rest for the body.
There is another sabbath rest for which God provides, but it is for the soul.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Jesus Christ is our sabbath rest (Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest).
Hebrews 7b ...To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
This opinion will probably be resisted by others but consider it in the light of Hebrews chapter 4.
Excellent articulation Hank. I, for one, totally agree!
I love the way you presented this. Do you think Abraham 'ceased from human effort and entered this rest by faith' at this point?:
And he believed in Jehovah; and he reckoned it to him for righteousness. Gen 15:6
I think so. Obviously somewhere along the way He realized the truth of Genesis 15.
Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
I know we don't always agree on everything.
Again, AMEN! I agree! Good point with 15:1. Every one of His children from all ages need to understand that truth AND trust in it.
Ah, someday we'll all see it the way it really is....
Are you saying here that Christians can now rest from the burden of keeping the law of God in order to attempt to be perfect and get saved, as we can onstead rest in the finished work of Christ upon the Cross, where he fulfilled and kept the law for us, something NONE of us would be able to do?
Yea JF, if that's the way you want to put it, that's what he's saying....
....except you say 'get saved'; don't know if Hank agrees with your definition of 'gettin' saved', or not, you'll have to ask him.
Oops, kyredneck beat me to posting an answer...
If I am understanding what you are asking, then yes.
However the question is a little confusing as you asked if "christians" can now rest from the burden of keeping the law of God to attempt to be perfect and get saved.
Presumably if someone is a Christian that someone is already saved.
The clue to the intended audience of the Book of Hebrews is the name of the epistle - Hebrews.
Hebrews being of the lineage seed of Abraham did not gaurantee a pleasing status in God's eyes.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: ...
Many "Hebrews" as seen from the historical inspired record of the Pentateuch were guilty of kindling the wrath of God.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Bible knowledge, even extensive Bible knowledge, and/or a diligent study of Christian doctrine profits no one if not mixed with faith.
I meant that it freed us up from the "work" that was an attempt to perfectly keep the Law in attempt to get saved by God, which was a false belief any ways! As the Law could not save us, as NONE could even keep it!
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
"Labour (GRK. spoudazo)" - the KJV translaters apparently saw some irony in translating this passage thus.
However in other passages using this word they chose a word which had much less of a nuance connection to "works (GRK. ergon)".
2 Timothy 4:9 Do thy diligence (root - spoudazo) to come shortly unto me:
Titus 3:12 When I shall send Artemas unto thee, or Tychicus, be diligent to come unto me to Nicopolis: for I have determined there to winter.
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
RE: Sabbath (7th day) keeping:
My opinion - FWIW - for those believers who want to keep certain elements of the law (Sabbath keeping, Jewish feasts, tithings, etc) such as messianic Jews (for instance), let them...
If it is done in faith to the glory of God what is the harm?
Also, after entering into a faith/rest relationship with Jesus Christ it is not us doing the works but a spontaneous living out of the will of God.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.