What is true? Your theology?

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  1. reformedbeliever

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    I've been a member of these forums for a while now. I've participated in over 2000 posts....... some of which I'm not proud of. We have debated and I have learned. We have debated and I've been hard headed. :)

    God's Word is true. What we interpret as God's Word may not be true. I think most of us have benefited greatly from some teacher. Whether the teacher be someone that has taught us through the written word or in person. We had to have a teacher to be able to read. We had to have a teacher in order to learn how to properly read and understand the Bible. Of course the Holy Spirit is the one who illuminates the Word for our understanding.

    My question is this; Who's Truth is the truth that will lead us into eternal life? Do we depend upon a system of theology? Do we depend upon our own ability to "rightly" divide the Word? Have you arrived at what you know to be the truth? Or are you still learning? At what point will the truth that you have, be enough to merit salvation? Unmerited favor?

    It seems to me that we are busy trying to make our truth to be God, instead of God's truth making us. Isn't that what the Jewish leaders were doing? Didn't they think they had the truth?

    These questions do nothing but make me more dependent upon the Sovereign grace of God. If my doctrine, or my denomination, or my religion, or my (fill in the blank) is what saves me.... what of all the other people in the world?

    It seems to me that God's truth needs to make us, rather than our truth making God. I'm just thinking here........... and getting a headache. :praying:
     
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    You assert the doctrine of "the Sovereign grace of God" as your comfort or source of strength, then say that it is not your doctrine that saves you. I don't understand the point you are trying to make here.
     
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    No, a doctrine does not save you.
    But his comfort is in the sovereign grace of God.
    There is no contradiction there.
    In other words, his hope is not in his belief but his hope is in the God who has given those beliefs.

    Do you NOT believe in a sovereign God?
     
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    The point I'm making is that it is the sovereign grace of God that saves me. It's not my doctrine, it is God's doctrine. It is Jesus' doctrine. It is Scripture. It is what makes me, I don't make it.
     
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    But what everyone wants to argue about is the definition of "sovereign grace".
     
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    Reformedbeliever, you started out in an apologetic way saying you had often been hardheaded, then you end up reasserting the source of contention, your definition of God's sovereignty. You used several paragraphs to say nothing and to add nothing to the discussion, merely to start another thread to rehash old arguments. It's pretty boring.
     
  7. reformedbeliever

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    Feel free to not reply.
     
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    Where did I define God's sovereignty? I went back and read what I wrote, and didn't find where I defined God's sovereignty. I simply said I was saved by God's sovereign grace.
    Get your facts straight. I have stated that our doctrine does not save us. I have stated that God's truth is what saves us. He makes us, we don't make Him.
     
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    I think not replying henceforth would be my straitest path to greater sanctification. I'll take your advice.
     
  10. reformedbeliever

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    Be greatly sanctified brother.
     
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    I'll play along....

    Truth comes from the revelation of God.
    And the Bible is the Primary source, but not the only source...
     
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    Hello, brother....been a while.
    What are the other sources ?
     
  13. Aaron

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    Allow me . . .

    Nature.
     
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    Good one, that.
    Any one or anything else ?
     
  15. webdog

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    Missionaries?
    Books or writings that share the Truth?
    Songs?
    Internet (BaptistBoard - sometimes :))?
    Animals? (Balaam's donkey)?
     
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    Personal experiences (testimonies, etc.)?
    Miracles?

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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  17. reformedbeliever

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    Great replies. I probably need to explain my reason for the OP. I do not articulate myself well sometimes on this BB. How in the world I do so when I preach and teach........ has to be from God. I've been told i'm a great teacher/preacher. Of course.... it was my sweet wife who told me. :)

    My reasoning for this OP was the sad fact that so many time as we are debating on the various forums, we end up telling others that they are less of a Christian, or heretical, or in error, or are lost altogether.... if they don't interpret the scriptures exactly as we ourselves do. We try to make everyone else fit our theology....... including, it seems, God. I'm not accusing anyone in particular here, except myself... so don't take this the wrong way.

    I suppose as I was writing the OP, I was expressing my thoughts, without really expecting anyone else to agree or disagree. I suppose it was more of venting my own frustration. Maybe this will help to explain the purpose of this thread. It probably is boring to some... and thats ok.

    Maybe I should not have said that I was so greatful for God's sovereign grace... but that is the way I feel. If He had not sovereignly changed my heart... then I'd probably have Him completely wrapped up in that neat little box that we all sometimes try to put Him in.
     
  18. TCGreek

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    RB,
    Here's the issue:

    1. The Holy Spirit is our resident teacher yet godly people have differed over the centuries.

    2. Systematicizing a set of beliefs is inescapable. Consider politics for example.

    3. But do we essentially agree about what the gospel is? I believe we do.
     
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    Pilate once asked "What is truth?" He may have been being sarcastic, or he may have been uneasy because Truth was looking at him right in the face. Jesus said that He was Truth, so that answers that question. Since Jesus is also the Word, then the Word of God is the Truth, and in its written form, the Bible. Since Jesus is God, the Father and Holy Spirit are Truth.

    This is what is not truth, which seems to get very confused here on this board. Truth is not one's interpretation of God's Word, for example as of late ad nauseum, one's interpretation of alcohol use. Truth is not what you, I or anyone else think of someone else's salvation.

    Truth is not reading the KJV only. Truth is not singing hymns written between 1600-1910.
     
  20. tinytim

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    Just had this in class last night... so this one is easy...

    I am auditing Theology 1.. and we are using Millard Erickson's book, Introduction to Christian Doctrine...

    According to his book....

    The scriptures as primary
    Nature
    Tradition (things others have learned to be true)
    Our own experience
     

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