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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Matt22:37-39, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. DHK

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    Quite true. Our parameters need to be defined.
    2+2 does not ALWAYS equal 4.

    2+2 = 10 in a base 4 system. But we use a base 10 system.
     
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    Actually that would be 5 not 10
     
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    So you are calling us unsaved?

    As for the second comment - quite funny. You say you have people on Facebook support you? Great. Ask anyone here if all I do is exalt myself and never give a kind word.

    I am on the side of the Lord Jesus Christ. You seem to be a bit delusional.
     
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    Your arrogance knows no bounds.
    There is no 5 in a base four system.
     
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    Ann, I know how these forums and boards work gang mentality and all....all one has to do is go through all your comments to me and they will never see a kind word or an amen on anything I write and I write LOTS of TRUTH...so if you cannot agree with TRUTH you are either jealous or hate truth...Jesus is TRUTH and you hate His words.
     
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    DHK, this came up on google...I never claimed to know math. In fact 2 = 2 + 10 never shows up...I can't find it

    Those who are arguing with TRUTH that 2 = 2 equals 4 in every day life is arrogant.

    Funny how many of you guys can't agree with anything any one says, unless it is one of your BUDDIES...so much truth being presented and you are all jealous of anyone knowing more than you...so typically


    EVIL!


    https://www.google.com/search?q=2+=...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
     
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    You mis-judge Ann.....GROSSLY. You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with her, but her challenge is sound. You could ask just about any regular poster on this board and they will tell you that she is one of the most gracious and edifying posters on this board.

    Personally, (and this is me) if I find myself on the wrong side of un-productive argument with Ann....I would look at myself first. You have not been here long enough to make a Universal judgement about her at all. Anyone who has been here longer than say 6 mos-year or so, could EASILY back me up on what I am saying here.

    I've got no problem with you and not really much of an opinion about the arguments you are having with folks on this board. But there are rude and un-edifying people around here, (I've been guilty of it myself).....Ann NEVER is.
     
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    You did a search on "how can 2+2=5
    I never claimed it was.
    I said that 2+2=10 in a base four system.
    So does 3+1 = 10 in a base four system.

    I don't care if you are very good at math or not.
    I have spoken truth. The truth is not evil. Your ignorance of the truth is evil.
    Calling others evil for stating truth you do not understand is evil.
    I am not letting that go on this board.
    As I said previously, the "truth" that is stated must be defined within the parameters in which it is stated. Thus two plus two does not always equal four.
     
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    That is just not true as I have known Ann for years on this board. You have problems lady.

    Ann, dust your feet. We all love you.
     
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    Hey-in Ternary (base 3), doesn't 2+2=11?
     
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    Like I said do a search on my THREAD STARTERS and see that from day one ANN has ATTACKED everything I have said (I was new and never said anything wrong) she has never said one kind word to me...mark of someone not following God the right way....legalism makes people mean..and it shows on here a lot!
     
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    WHAT IS TRUTH?...Click on the link for the whole article, or should I say the whole TRUTH...

    The Offensive Nature of Truth
    When the concept of truth is maligned, it usually for one or more of the following reasons:

    One common complaint against anyone claiming to have absolute truth in matters of faith and religion is that such a stance is “narrow-minded.” However, the critic fails to understand that, by nature, truth is narrow. Is a math teacher narrow-minded for holding to the belief that 2 + 2 only equals 4?

    Another objection to truth is that it is arrogant to claim that someone is right and another person is wrong. However, returning to the above example with mathematics, is it arrogant for a math teacher to insist on only one right answer to an arithmetic problem? Or is it arrogant for a locksmith to state that only one key will open a locked door?

    A third charge against those holding to absolute truth in matters of faith and religion is that such a position excludes people, rather than being inclusive. But such a complaint fails to understand that truth, by nature, excludes its opposite. All answers other than 4 are excluded from the reality of what 2 + 2 truly equals.

    Yet another protest against truth is that it is offensive and divisive to claim one has the truth. Instead, the critic argues, all that matters is sincerity. The problem with this position is that truth is immune to sincerity, belief, and desire. It doesn’t matter how much one sincerely believes a wrong key will fit a door; the key still won’t go in and the lock won’t be opened. Truth is also unaffected by sincerity. Someone who picks up a bottle of poison and sincerely believes it is lemonade will still suffer the unfortunate effects of the poison. Finally, truth is impervious to desire. A person may strongly desire that their car has not run out of gas, but if the gauge says the tank is empty and the car will not run any farther, then no desire in the world will miraculously cause the car to keep going.

    Some will admit that absolute truth exists, but then claim such a stance is only valid in the area of science and not in matters of faith and religion. This is a philosophy called logical positivism, which was popularized by philosophers such as David Hume and A. J. Ayer. In essence, such people state that truth claims must either be (1) tautologies (for example, all bachelors are unmarried men) or empirically verifiable (that is, testable via science). To the logical positivist, all talk about God is nonsense.

    Those who hold to the notion that only science can make truth claims fail to recognize is that there are many realms of truth where science is impotent. For example:

    • Science cannot prove the disciplines of mathematics and logic because it presupposes them.
    • Science cannot prove metaphysical truths such as, minds other than my own do exist.
    • Science is unable to provide truth in the areas of morals and ethics. You cannot use science, for example, to prove the Nazis were evil.
    • Science is incapable of stating truths about aesthetic positions such as the beauty of a sunrise.
    • Lastly, when anyone makes the statement “science is the only source of objective truth,” they have just made a philosophical claim—which cannot be tested by science.

    And there are those who say that absolute truth does not apply in the area of morality. Yet the response to the question, “Is is moral to torture and murder an innocent child?” is absolute and universal: No. Or, to make it more personal, those who espouse relative truth concerning morals always seem to want their spouse to be absolutely faithful to them.

    Why Truth is Important

    Why is it so important to understand and embrace the concept of absolute truth in all areas of life (including faith and religion)? Simply because life has consequences for being wrong. Giving someone the wrong amount of a medication can kill them; having an investment manager make the wrong monetary decisions can impoverish a family; boarding the wrong plane will take you where you do not wish to go; and dealing with an unfaithful marriage partner can result in the destruction of a family and, potentially, disease.

    As Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias puts it, “The fact is, the truth matters – especially when you’re on the receiving end of a lie.” And nowhere is this more important than in the area of faith and religion. Eternity is an awfully long time to be wrong.


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    Question: "What is truth?"

    Answer: Almost two thousand years ago, Truth was put on trial and judged by people who were devoted to lies. In fact, Truth faced six trials in less than one full day, three of which were religious, and three that were legal. In the end, few people involved in those events could answer the question, “What is truth?”

    After being arrested, the Truth was first led to a man named Annas, a corrupt former high priest of the Jews. Annas broke numerous Jewish laws during the trial, including holding the trial in his house, trying to induce self-accusations against the defendant, and striking the defendant, who had been convicted of nothing at the time. After Annas, the Truth was led to the reigning high priest, Caiaphas, who happened to be Annas’s son-in-law. Before Caiaphas and the Jewish Sanhedrin, many false witnesses came forward to speak against the Truth, yet nothing could be proved and no evidence of wrongdoing could be found. Caiaphas broke no fewer than seven laws while trying to convict the Truth: (1) the trial was held in secret; (2) it was carried out at night; (3) it involved bribery; (4) the defendant had no one present to make a defense for Him; (5) the requirement of 2-3 witnesses could not be met; (6) they used self-incriminating testimony against the defendant; (7) they carried out the death penalty against the defendant the same day. All these actions were prohibited by Jewish law. Regardless, Caiaphas declared the Truth guilty because the Truth claimed to be God in the flesh, something Caiaphas called blasphemy.

    When morning came, the third trial of the Truth took place, with the result that the Jewish Sanhedrin pronounced the Truth should die. However, the Jewish council had no legal right to carry out the death penalty, so they were forced to bring the Truth to the Roman governor at the time, a man named Pontius Pilate. Pilate was appointed by Tiberius as the fifth prefect of Judea and served in that capacity A.D. 26 to 36. The procurator had power of life and death and could reverse capital sentences passed by the Sanhedrin. As the Truth stood before Pilate, more lies were brought against Him. His enemies said, “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, and saying that He Himself is Christ, a King” (Luke 23:2). This was a lie, as the Truth had told everyone to pay their taxes (Matthew 22:21) and never spoke of Himself as a challenge to Caesar.

    After this, a very interesting conversation between the Truth and Pilate took place. “Therefore Pilate entered again into the Praetorium, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, ‘Are You the King of the Jews?’ Jesus answered, ‘Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?’ Pilate answered, ‘I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?’ Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.’ Therefore Pilate said to Him, ‘So You are a king?’ Jesus answered, ‘You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.’ Pilate said to Him, ‘What is truth?’” (John 18:33–38).

    Pilate’s question, “What is truth?” has reverberated down through history. Was it a melancholy desire to know what no one else could tell him, a cynical insult, or perhaps an irritated, indifferent reply to Jesus’ words?

    In a postmodern world that denies that truth can be known, the question is more important than ever to answer. What is truth?

    A Proposed Definition of Truth

    In defining truth, it is first helpful to note what truth is not:

    • Truth is not simply whatever works. This is the philosophy of pragmatism – an ends-vs.-means-type approach. In reality, lies can appear to “work,” but they are still lies and not the truth.
    • Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
    • Truth is not what makes people feel good. Unfortunately, bad news can be true.
    • Truth is not what the majority says is true. Fifty-one percent of a group can reach a wrong conclusion.
    • Truth is not what is comprehensive. A lengthy, detailed presentation can still result in a false conclusion.
    • Truth is not defined by what is intended. Good intentions can still be wrong.
    • Truth is not how we know; truth is what we know.
    • Truth is not simply what is believed. A lie believed is still a lie.
    • Truth is not what is publicly proved. A truth can be privately known (for example, the location of buried treasure).

    The Greek word for “truth” is aletheia, which literally means to “un-hide” or “hiding nothing.” It conveys the thought that truth is always there, always open and available for all to see, with nothing being hidden or obscured. The Hebrew word for “truth” is emeth, which means “firmness,” “constancy” and “duration.” Such a definition implies an everlasting substance and something that can be relied upon.

    From a philosophical perspective, there are three simple ways to define truth:

    1. Truth is that which corresponds to reality.
    2. Truth is that which matches its object.
    3. Truth is simply telling it like it is.

    First, truth corresponds to reality or “what is.” It is real. Truth is also correspondent in nature. In other words, it matches its object and is known by its referent. For example, a teacher facing a class may say, “Now the only exit to this room is on the right.” For the class that may be facing the teacher, the exit door may be on their left, but it’s absolutely true that the door, for the professor, is on the right.

    Truth also matches its object. It may be absolutely true that a certain person may need so many milligrams of a certain medication, but another person may need more or less of the same medication to produce the desired effect. This is not relative truth, but just an example of how truth must match its object. It would be wrong (and potentially dangerous) for a patient to request that their doctor give them an inappropriate amount of a particular medication, or to say that any medicine for their specific ailment will do.

    In short, truth is simply telling it like it is; it is the way things really are, and any other viewpoint is wrong. A foundational principle of philosophy is being able to discern between truth and error, or as Thomas Aquinas observed, "It is the task of the philosopher to make distinctions."

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    Here is some truth right here.

    Jesus said "IF YOU ARE NOT FOR ME YOU ARE AGAINST ME"....He even told Peter..."TO GET BEHIND ME SATAN"

    All I have done is present truth on here and I am constantly attacked for it...so obviously if I am being attacked for speaking the truth, than those who attack me are not on God's side but Satan's...that is plain simple truth.

    If you can;t handle it then stop reading my post and let those who are being blessed by them (I know cause I am told sold privately) enjoy them.... stop allowing Satan to use you and make Christianity look bad or hurt the name of Christ!

    ALWAYS find something someone said that was right and acknowledge it..."NO ONE CARES HOW MUCH YOU KNOW TIL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE"...So those who attack me their words fall on deaf ears, cause you don't have my best interest at heart, but your own ego.
     
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    So you are saying that I'm unsaved and hate Jesus?

    Do you speak as Jesus? Are you Him?
     
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    Your heart is not right...repent!
     
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    PFT, have you assumed another identity?
     
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    You have said everyone here is of Satan, so why are you still here???????
     
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    Amy, Is your comprehension off?
     
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    It is not arrogant to claim someone is wrong when they are.
    Don mentioned that 2 + 2 = 11 in a base 3 system.
    And he is right. You are not googling the right things and thus cannot find it.
    You are also rejecting truth. And then you get mad. Both are sins.
     
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