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  1. Yeshua1

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    mankind has same type of faith as satan and demons do, in that in their natural state as sinners can see God in his creation, can read and learn and know facts of Him, but apart from the work of the Holy Spirit, that NONE can call upon jesus as lord apart from the Spririt work to make it possible to ahve them do so!

    man has the faith to know of God, but not to know God in a saving sense!
     
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    5 pointers will say that His death was sufficient to have been able to save all, but that the all to get saved by it are the ones that he actually died instead of, Gods elect!

    4 pointers will sy that His death actually was meant for all sinners to get saved, but God requires them to receive jesus by faith in order to have him apply that grace, and as no sinner can do that, he supplies the needed saving faith to His elect!
     
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    Illogical reasoning, and it is circular reasoning.
    First everyone has faith.
    Second, it is the object of the faith that is important.
    --When Jesus met the rich young ruler, he told him: "One thing thou lackest, Go, sell all that thou hast, give to the poor, take up thy cross and follow me."
    And he was sorrowful at that saying for he had much riches.
    --The object of his "faith" (trust) was not in Christ, but rather it was in his own wealth. He put his money before Christ.

    Everyone has faith. What the object of your faith is what is important.
    The verses you were quoting were written about believers. A believer has Christ as the object of his faith; an unbeliever does not. The unbeliever still has faith, but his faith is not in Christ. Christ is not the object of his faith. He might have faith in himself, his flesh, his money, his business, etc., but not in Christ.
    Read the verse in that context.
     
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    All have faith in something, but the truth is unless the Holy sprit opens a sinners herat/mind to just who jesus is, they cannot place faith in him, as their faith is NOT in the One the Bible describes as being lord!
     
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    I know that everyone has A faith. Man has faith in their ability to drive a car. Man has faith in some people to do what is right if that person has proved themselves. There is a faith in faith you might call it, when someone tells someone else everything will be alright, just have faith. When in 11 Thess Paul said, all men have not faith, he was cutting to the core of the matter and dealing with saving faith or the faith of Gods elect. Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness.
     
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    Why don't we just believe this.

    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:19

    How?

    Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 1 Peter 1:18-20

    Consider it was foreordained before the foundation of the world, that blood would be shed. This means that the Christ was before place or set forth or purposed as something before the foundation of the world.. What was he before placed or set forth, or purposed, as? Through what was he placed, set forth or purposed?

    Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that (so that) your faith and hope might be in God. 1 Peter 1:21

    We do not receive anything because of some kind of faith that wells up from within ourselves. Who's faith saves us?

    The Christ, the one who shed his blood, was before placed, set forth, and or purposed as, a propitiation before the foundation of the world. Why? Because of the faith in the of him blood. The faith God the Father had in his Son, Jesus born of woman, being obedient unto death even the death of the cross.

    Or as stated in the OT: For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Lev 17:11

    For, obedience of faith, Jesus became the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen; He Son, the heir of God, (see Heb 1:2) inherited the promise of God and became our hope giving us the promise of the Holy Spirit he received from the Father (See Acts 2:33).

    God in Christ his Son is the faith and hope of the world being reconciled unto himself.

    Currently God through Christ is giving the firstfruits of the Spirit (the feast of firstfruits) to whom he wills.

    The are other feasts to come.
     
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    For ANY sinner to be saved, there MUST be a special revealtion granted them of who Jesus is to them, for natural man cannot receive and understand the truth of the Gospel apart that work of the Spirit!
     
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    Correct on Titus 1:1 also 1:2

    Proof Christ became our faith by being raised from the dead that our faith and hope might be in God.

    Christ in us the hope of glory is our faith See Romans 8:24 concerning hope.
    For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
     
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    Why would you think I do not believe this ? I know true faith has an object, Jesus Christ. I have said so in other post.
     
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    When Jesus spoke to the rich young ruler he first of all said, Why call be good, there is one good, God.

    He told him he would have to do what in reality only one born of woman has done, forsake all.

    Jesus literally gave his all, his very life, life opposite of death, his connection to God his Father, he died for our sin forsaken of by God, his Father.

    His very life, his spirit, was in the hands of his Father, God.

    Jesus received, washing of regeneration and renewing of Holy Spirit.

    The Spirit is shed forth because of that and as Jesus said, "Have faith of God."

    Then if God wants a mountain to fall in the sea you can tell that mountain to fall in the sea and it will.
     
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    I know that you do, was just emphasising that truth, so that others here might believe that!
     
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    Dhk 's position denies this truth no matter how many times he posts it.Saving faith is the gift of God...ephs 2:8-9
     
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    DHK.
    Wrong again....
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    Correct DHK....an unbeliever has a false faith, a human trust, in anything but Jesus......

    saving faith is clearly the gift of God:thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Can you give me the different properties of one who has a saving faith in Christ, as opposed to one who just has "a faith" in Christ. (Assuming both believe that they each have the "saving faith")
     
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    QF, we are told this-

    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

    here we are told of a faith....that does not have Spirit wrought works.it is a fleshly, natural human trust...not a God given faith that works;

    QF....that leads to this epic passage;
    7 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


    So clearly...there is a Dead faith....as opposed to a saving faith...which works.....

    notice in Eph 2;8-9 saving faith is given as a part of the whole salvation...and notice vs 10 mentions first and foremost...that good works are mentioned right away...they are as much ordained for us to walk in as salvation itself....

    Titus instructs new believers on what to expect of saving faith in the life;
    6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.

    7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

    8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

    9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;

    10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.


    Whenever the word of God calls for self examination....it warns about those who have believed in VAIN....a false faith-
    15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    There is a false faith...someone believes..in vain....no fruit in the life!
    16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work
    reprobate.



    5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

    The presupposition here is that if ye are "in the faith" you will be exercising that very faith in a godly life style....

    2 pet 1 Christians are commanded to make their calling and election sure...by doing, practicing this whole list of the fruit of the Spirit...in their christian walk......all these virtues are to be present and growing in the life...to some extent....each one comes in one upon another like a great choir that blends together to sound as one-

    1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

    3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

    4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    5 And beside this, giving all diligence,
    add to your faith virtue;
    and to virtue knowledge;

    6 And to knowledge temperance;
    and to temperance patience;
    and to patience godliness;

    7 And to godliness brotherly kindness;
    and to brotherly kindness charity.

    8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

    10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

    11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.


    QF...these things are in no way optional...they are a must....if you want more I can offer them to you...let me know,...

    also.....men are never ,ever, said to be saved because of faith....it is always by or through faith....never because of faith....

    qf...see part two---
     
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    From the Baptist Cathechism with Commentary..by WR.Downing

    Does the professing believer possess any “marks of grace,” i.e., any of the
    “distinguishing characteristics” of true Christian character? These marks or
    characteristics are varied and cover the whole range of Christian experience.
    These are discernable in the life, despite the principle of indwelling sin and
    remaining corruption, and the spiritual infirmities which plague each and
    every believer in this life of spiritual warfare, struggle and imperfection:

    Does the essence of converting grace manifest itself in the life? Is there
    any evidence of regenerating grace or of the reigning power of sin
    having been broken (Jer. 31:31–34; Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 6:1–14; Gal.
    5:16–18; 1 Jn. 3:4–10)?

    Are the principle and fruits of true, saving repentance evidenced in the
    life?
    Saving repentance is not merely a one–time act, but a constant
    principle at work in the experience of the believer as he continually
    confesses and turns from sin in his life (Matt. 3:7–8; Acts 11:18;
    17:30–31; 1 Jn. 1:8–10).

    Is the reality of saving faith to any extent manifest in the life? Saving
    faith is nothing less than utter, unreserved commitment to Jesus Christ
    as Lord and Savior
    . It is the response of the whole man to the whole
    Christ. Saving faith is God–given and so a distinct entity that evidences
    a given character, including an acceptance of the entire Word of God
    inscripturated (Acts 2:36; 8:36–37; Rom. 10:9–10). Is one delivered
    from the reigning power of sin in his present experience?

    Is there a good conscience before God in the context of his
    inscripturated truth?
    A renewed conscience is to be governed by the
    Spirit and Word of God. Much emphasis ought to be placed on a
    renewed conscience, which answers to God’s Spirit and is to be led by
    God’s Word. This is quite distinct from a merely religious or legalistic
    conscience (Jn. 8:9; Acts 26:9), which, although it may be very
    powerful, is easily distorted. This conscience–work is an integral part
    of the Spirit’s work in the believer’s experience (Rom. 5:5; 8:11–16;
    9:1; 2 Cor. 3:17–18; 1 Tim. 1:5, 19; Heb. 9:12–14; 10:22).

    Is there a principle of heart–obedience to the Lord and his commands?
    One cannot have a valid claim to a right relationship with God and yet
    live in constant and willful disobedience to the Word of God (Rom.
    6:16; 1 Thess. 2:13; 1 Pet. 1:2; 1 Jn. 2:3–5).

    Is there an experiential godliness and conformity to the Word of God in
    the life which may be characterized to any given extent as “the practice
    of righteousness?”
    Christianity is both doctrinal and practical; it is a
    system of Divine truth and also a life to be consistently lived in the
    context of that truth (1 Jn. 3:3–10).

    Is there any evidence of a praying heart or attendance to the private
    means of grace?
    The private means of grace are principally prayer and
    communion with God and the reading and study of the Scriptures. A
    praying heart is a primary indicator of saving grace (Acts 9:11). (Cf.
    Psa. 1:2; Matt. 26:41; 1 Thess. 5:17; 2 Tim. 2:15; 3:16–17).


    Has the reigning power of sin been broken in the life? There is no one
    sin which can nullify or terminate the believer’s union with Christ and
    its necessary consequences. According to the clear and unmistakable
    teaching of Scripture, however, there is no sin that can continue to
    dominate the believer. The believer may commit acts of sin, but he
    cannot habitually live in sin and under its reigning power, contradicting
    the effectual work of the grace of the Spirit of God (Rom. 6:1–14, 17–
    18, 20, 22; Eph. 2:1–5; 1 Jn. 2:1; 3:9).

    Is there a painful consciousness of indwelling sin and remaining
    corruption?
    There should be an increasing consciousness of sin as the
    believer grows in spiritual maturity. This consciousness of sin may be
    misunderstood by one newly converted, and further intensified by a
    morbid introspection, but self–examination is often a necessity (Rom.
    7:13–8:9; 2 Cor. 13:5). The cure for the reality and agony of any and all
    sin is the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:24–26; 1 Jn. 1:8–10).


    Is there any evidence of the principle and power of grace to mortify
    sin?
    Sin is to be dealt with scripturally and aggressively by the believer
    through the power of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:11–13; Gal. 5:16–18;
    Col. 3:5–10). No one is without sin. The true believer, however, cannot
    long remain in sin once it is made known to him. The consequences
    will either be repentance or Divine chastisement (Heb. 12:4–14; 1 Jn.
    1:8–10).

    Is there any reality to spirtual opposition in the life and experience?
    The believer, as a citizen and subject of the kingdom of God, now lives
    in an alien world. He is necessarily engaged in spiritual warfare and a
    spiritual struggle with “the world, the flesh, and the devil,” and often
    with his own lack of faith. He will experience satanic opposition in
    various forms (Matt. 6:13; Lk. 11:4; Jn. 17:15; Gal. 5:16–17; Eph.
    4:27; 6:10–18; Phil. 1:27; 1 Tim. 3:6–7; 2 Tim. 2:26; Jas. 4:7; 1 Pet.
    5:7–8).

    Is there a principle or practice of scriptural self–denial? The Christian
    life is not one of self–indulgence, but primarily one of self–denial and
    the mortification of sin, characterized by spiritual priorities and
    submission in everything to the Lordship of Jesus Christ (Lk. 9:23;
    14:25–33; 1 Jn. 2:15–17).

    Is there any experience of Divine chastisement? Such discipline or
    correction is a reality in the life of every true believer. If a person is
    never corrected and restored from sinning, it is a horrible mark of being
    spiritually illegitimate (Heb. 12:4–17). Persistence in sinful behavior
    may even result in being taken from this life prematurely (1 Cor.
    11:30–32; 1 Jn. 5:16–17).

    Has the tenor of the life been turned from the love and seduction of the
    world?
    The “worldly Christian” is, simply, a “worldling,” not a
    Christian. The so–called “Carnal Christian” in the modern sense of a
    professing believer habitually living an unconverted life does not exist.
    He is simply carnal. The Corinthians were termed “carnal” because
    they looked to men rather than to the Lord Jesus, not because they lived
    unconverted lives. Rom. 8:1–11 is a contrast between the converted and
    unconverted. Such a “two–stage Christianity” cannot be derived from
    the Scriptures (e.g., Rom. 6:1–23). True believers cannot continue in
    sin without experiencing the gravest consequences (Rom. 6:1–23; 8:1–
    9; 1 Cor. 3:1–4; 11:29–32; 1 Jn. 2:15–17; 5:16–17).

    Is there any evidence of the fruit of the Spirit in the life and
    experience?
    Such “fruit” is not what might be worked up or produced
    by human effort, but rather what the Holy Spirit bears in the life as
    graces or virtues (Rom. 8:11–17, 26–27; Gal. 5:22–23). Is the enabling,
    sustaining and restraining work of the Spirit at all in evidence (1 Cor.
    15:10; 2 Cor. 12:9; Gal. 5:16–18)?

    Is there a desire for and evidence of true Gospel holiness in the life?
    Gospel holiness is the one great requirement for heaven. There are no
    substitutes (2 Cor. 7:1; Eph. 1:3–5; 4:1; Heb. 12:14; 1 Pet. 1:14–15;
    2:9).

    Is there any experiential progression in conformity to the image of
    God’s Son?
    The comprehensive and glorious reality of Christian
    experience through the work of the Spirit is to conform believers to the
    221
    image of Christ and reflect the moral character of God in the life. Every
    aspect of the application of redemption points to this. This explains all
    spiritual growth, individually and corporately, all spiritual unity and
    maturity, all Divine chastening and providential dealings (Rom. 8:29; 2
    Cor. 3:17–18; 1 Pet. 1:15–16; 2:9).

    Is there a growing or progressive comprehension of the truth as it is in
    the Lord Jesus Christ?
    Unlike some poor children born in the human
    realm, who are beset with the worst maladies and mental infirmities of
    sinful mankind, God has no spiritual idiots, morons or retarded persons
    as his children. No true believer remains a spiritual infant. The Holy
    Spirit in regeneration neither aborts nor fails in progressively
    reproducing the image of Christ in his own spiritual children (Jn. 17:3;
    Rom. 8:29; 2 Cor. 3:17–18; Eph. 2:10; 4:13–16; Col. 2:1–7; 2 Tim.
    3:15–17; 2 Pet. 3:18). This image will be perfected in the resurrection
    unto glory (Rom. 8:17–23; 1 Jn. 3:1–4).

    Is there a desire for and a practice of attending to the public means of
    grace?
    How can the professing Christian expect anything other than
    chastisement and spiritual declension if he chooses to absent himself in
    disobedience? How can it be that he neither longs for the ministry of
    the Gospel nor the worship and fellowship of the people of God (Heb.
    10:25; 1 Jn. 3:14)?

    Is there any affinity for the people of God? This is not an emotional,
    irrational love or feeling devoid of moral character, but a true,
    scriptural love that reflects the moral character of God and is expressed
    in responsible desire and behavior (1 Jn. 3:10–19; 4:7–11). Do we
    desire to be among God’s people in public worship and fellowship (Jn.
    13:34–35; Heb. 10:23–31)? Is our Christian love expressed in self–
    sacrifice and practicality (2 Cor. 12:15; 1 Jn. 3:10–19)?

    Is there any manifestation of a forgiving attitude which reflects the
    believer’s union with Christ?
    If anyone has been forgiven fully,
    completely and finally, how can he possibly continue to exhibit a
    hateful or unforgiving spirit (Matt. 6:14–15; Lk. 17:3–4; Eph. 4:32;
    Col. 3:12–14)? The self–righteous are unforgiving because they have
    never felt the need for or experienced the joy of forgiveness
    themselves.
     
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    OK, what if there is not evidence of saving faith in your life? What are you supposed to do about it if Calvinism is true and that saving faith is a gift from God? You are powerless to do anything in Calvinism, you are totally at God's mercy. If he decides to pass you by, what can you do?

    According to Calvinism, if you are not regenerated, then aren't you are so utterly depraved that you would not be concerned whether you had saving faith or not? So it is sort of absurd to expect an unregenerate person to inquire whether they have saving faith or not isn't it?

    And exactly what is saving faith? How is a person to recognize it? Especially an unregenerate person? According to Calvinism, the unregenerate man cannot understand anything spiritual, so how is he to determine what saving faith is?

    If men are so utterly depraved and incapacitated, how do you expect them to examine themselves? Where do they get the motive to do such a thing if they are unregenerated?

    Please explain IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Anybody can copy and paste, that is lazy.
     
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    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7

    For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor 15:3

    But God raised him from the dead: Acts 13:30 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; )

    And if Christ be not raised, [(interlinear) vain the faith of you;] Ye are yet in your sins. --- There is no faith if the dead Christ has not been given life from the dead. Life in himself.

    The resurrection of Jesus from being dead, revealed the faith of God.

    That is the faith one hears about by which one receives the Spirit.

    Jesus went away in death. Spirit the God, his Father gave him life again, and also gave him the promise of the Holy Spirit, then and only then Jesus the Christ poured forth that Spirit to those called by God. See Acts 2:32,33,39

    In that context I agree with Iconoclast, it is a gift of God.

    Of course Christ in you the hope of glory is also a gift of God.
     
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    An unsaved person ...even someone who is religious but does not see the scriptural marks of conversion manifest in his life, should begin inprayer and ask God to work saving mercy in grace into His life, giving him a new heart..
    david in psalm 51 expresses this quite well;

    51 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

    2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

    3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

    4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

    5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

    6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

    7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

    8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

    9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

    10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

    Calvinism being the doctrine derived from scripture is true...saving faith is the gift of God.....I would urge them to believe the teaching of the word asking God for the new heart as David did, and calling on God Himself to make the promises true in their life....of everyone who believes...

    An unsaved person cannot save themselves, but they can crack open a bible and see what God's holy law has to say about them.Then they will know why they need a Saviour.


    As it says in scripture everywhere!
    yes...that is true.and yet you are fully responsible as we speak.
    If God has passed someone by...they will continue to love their sin and go to the second death, justly for their sins.We however do not know who God has passed by...so we preach to everyone, believing that everyone we speak to might be one called of God.

    Some people out of sinful pride will use religion as a covering for their sin...that is why judgement begins at the house of God...all who offend will be removed...
    Not absurd at all.Unsaved religious professors have a fear of death that brings them into bondage ...all their lives...some seek a band aid to make them feel alright before men, as in their evil unconverted heart they maintain their sinful rebellion to King Jesus ...as Lord:thumbsup::wavey:

    Winman...I just posted two posts on it....you might think it is lazy to cut and paste....I think it is lazy for you not to work through each well written sentence and look up the verses in relation to each question being addressed.


    He might not know the difference of that....however if indeed the Spirit of God is working upon him he will begin to sense the sinfulness of sin, maybe get a glimpse of the holiness of God....then the Spirit qill quicken him giving him a new heart at regeneration, repentance and saving faith Given to the person enabling Him to call Jesus Lord.

    Most every caution is given to the real christian who might be straggling,and playing with the world, in direct disobedience to clear scriptural teaching...


    Other than scripture quotes these are my own words Winman.,My first answer to QF was my own words...if you notice however...what Pastor Downing wrote in the Catechism with Commentary is far and away superior to my efforts here.
    he knows the greek and hebrew....he is well read and extremely gifted and graced by God....If he posted here ...i would shut up and listen. I learn from every sermon or lecture he offers....he instructs other pastors....

    The two pages of notes he offered can be expanded into 20 different bible studies just using that content for a base....it is masterful....why should I not post it???? Why should you not read it??

    If the clerk at 7-11 was able to write and expand on biblical truth...I would cut and paste him also....if you have something worthwhile...cut and paste it...i will look.:wavey:
     
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    We agree because it is the scriptural teaching...if you do not come with an agenda...it is clearly seen,:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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