What is Your Cross?

What kind of evidence do you need? Is Christ calling them "disciples" not enough? I can't believe you are really going to try to argue that Peter wasn't "saved" at that time.

 

I don't inderstand die to yourself.
Faithgirl

 

Hi faithgirl46 and welcome to the discussion. Dying to self means that as much as possible you drop your agenda in life and take up God's agenda for your life. Not my will be done, but Thy will be done. It means that you allow the Holy Spirit to live out the life of Christ within your body.

Paul said he was crucified with Christ yet he lived, but it wasn't him that was living it was Christ living in him.

If you are still fulfilling your own wants, needs and desires then you are not dying to self. We are to be seeking the kingdom above all else. And when we do that there are going to be alot of things that will be upset on the fleshly apple cart, because our souls (which are still in darkness) continue to want to be surrounded in darkness, while our spirits (which have been moved into the Marvelous Light) desire to stay in the Light.

That's why there is a battle going on between the flesh and the Spirit. The two are at odds. We have to die to self and let the Spirit win.

Hope that helps.

 

Sure it is your argument, because Scripture doesn't even remotely come close to saying Peter was spiritually dead (unsaved) at the moment he was called Satan by Christ.

What kind of evidence do I need? Some Scriptural evidence that says Peter was unsaved or some that even implies that. And you have delievered neither.

Of course that was not Judas' cross. That was Judas not dying to self and allowing his flesh to rule the moment. If he would have taken up his cross in that situation he never would have betrayed the Lord.

 

Matthew 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

I never know how to take Judas question. Is this the question of a loyal saved person about to be overtaken in a moment of weakness or is this the words of the guilty wondering if he'd just been busted?

John says after they ate; John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. So John implies that when Judas asked whas it him, Satan was not in him but he enters Judas after they ate.

This leaves the question, can Satan use the saved to accomplish his will? If yes then JJ may have a point. If no then HP is right.

 

I have seen Satan use a lot of saved people to accomplish his will.

Ever been to a church business meeting???

 

Well, Hp I for one apologize for not bringing that up in our debates. You are absolutely right.

 

This is the results of following doctrines of demons. The more one trys to defend such a doctrine the more and more they fall into heresy. "Judas saved" , unbelieveable! And then Jim Jones who murdered hundreds and Davis Koresh who raped little girls and declared he was Christ himself is also saved! Hitler as well. Absurd! Absolutely absurd. It totally takes the precious word of God and drags it through the mud turning it inside out.

Sad doctrine, So sad. :tear:

God Bless!

 

This doctrine of demons is clear. It preaches that 95% of the NT scriptures is preaching about how the saved can have their souls saved.

The actual truth is that 95% of the entire bible is about saving the living soul God created and there is no seperate salvation between soul and spirit taught, ever!

Satan always attacks God's Word in ways that dirrectly opposes the truth. Sad part is some well meaning Christians do fall for it just like Eve in the garden...."Yea, did God really say".......twisting and turning the truth at every rebuke!

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

And here we have another person that has NEVER met me that "thinks" he knows what I actually do believe and what I am only saying I believe. You people are unreal.

 

Amen. And the "church" is one of his best players right now unfortunately. For example the "church" can't even agree on what the simple gospel message of eternal salvation is as evidenced by a poll I started in the theology section of the BB. At last check 12 people have voted and they voted for three different answers. If some of our "other" Baptist brethren would vote and some CoC folks you would have at least four answers to that question.

 

Talk about a nice talking point. Once again you don't know. Don't pretend like you do. You don't know what is sincere and if there is anything that isn't. Only God Himself knows that, so please don't pretend like you are Him. That's REALLY annoying.

Die to self is in FACT NOT a sham. It is a command. But as with any command you can obey or you can disobey. There are consequences for both.

Do people have a choice to live in sin. Of course they do. Are there consequences for that choice? Of course there are.

By the way I'm not "ignoring" anything. I fully believe that a person that lives in sin is "not worth of Him." However I would suspect that my views and your views are not in line as to what that means. And just because I don't hold "your" views doesn't mean I'm ignoring the text.

You might try "honest" discussions instead of "your" shams.

I don't post in these boards because I think I'm going to convince any of your "regulars." It is more for those they call "lurkers" that I post. And for our "lukers" the fruit of dishonesty should be very apparent in how you deal on these threads and should cause them to think even harder about what you have to say.

It always amazes me that you folks can just defend your own positions, but you have to attack the character of us because that is the only defense you are left with. Scripture doesn't support your views so I know let's make them look "crazy" so no one will listen to them. And unfortunately I'm sure that tactic works with some. Hopefully not with everyone though.

 

Well, we have an agreement point here.

But, I think that ignoring and omitting the gospel of the Kingdom is the attack, not the preaching the gospel of the Kingdom that John and Jesus came preaching.

 

Oh poor HP . . . is no one coming to the rescue of your false work-based eternal salvation plan? Maybe they realize that while they may not agree with me your works-based plan of salvation with no security is disgusting and not worth supporting either :laugh:.

 

LeBuick there are a number of times in the gospels that we see people that are doing the will of Satan. Christ even called Peter out for having such thoughts when he tried to say that Christ wasn't going to go to the cross.

Thankfully Peter realized he needed to get out of the way, because if he would have kept Christ from going to the cross he would have indeed been doing Satan's bidding.

There is no doubt that Satan uses saved individuals to move forward "his" agenda. We have Scriptural evidence of this. Just look at the wheat and the tares. Most people say the tares are unsaved folks, but the text does not support such a position.

As I said in a previous post unfortunately the church is one of Satan's best players right now. They are up on MVP status. That's why in Revelation 3 Christ is standing on the outside at the door, knocking to get in, but you will notice that it is only individuals that allow Him in. It's not a great majority. The vast majority of Christendom is lukewarm, blind, miserable and naked, yet they believe they are well clothed, rich and in need of nothing . Woe to the pastor/teachers that have allowed the church to reach this stage.

 

No wonder we don't agree very often. You like cats. :laugh: