What is your Standards when it comes to music?

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  1. Prince of Preachers

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    now with all this new age junk that is comming out in the church, what do you think is the most(according to the Bible) Effective music is to have in church.
     
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    Depends on the church.
     
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    do you think that rock music is more efective in bringing people in and getting them saved,Rather then old-fashion hymns. Is you belief something in between?
     
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    No, not really.

    I think it's great that there's an outlet (contemporary music) where kids can worship in their own language and that can communicate Biblical truths and a Christian worldview to them, but I think, ultimately, either their drawn by the message of the Gospel or their not.

    I think if you're going to use contemporary music as a relevant way to share the Gospel or address things from a Christian point of view, that's great but if you're just using contemporary music as a gimmick to get kids in, then that manipulative and I think that's not a good thing.

    I remember Mylon Lefevre saying that that's basically what the point of their music was - to lure kids in to hear him preach.

    I'm sure he had nothing but the best intentions, but I remember thinking that was just a little disingenuous.

    I mean, the Gospel is God's word and it's His plan to reconcile us to Himself. Either it stands on it's own or it doesn't.

    Jesus is the risen Christ and it makes me cringe when I think of Christian pop-culture and this idea that we have to make Him "cool".

    Mike
     
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    Prince of Preachers said:

    now with all this new age junk that is comming out in the church, what do you think is the most(according to the Bible) Effective music is to have in church.

    You don't say what you mean by "new age junk," but the music used in church ought to be theologically sound.
     
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    Personally, I like music that is vocally and musically compelling...or strong. I don't think that a "rock beat" has to be attached to church music to insight a powerful reaction. At my church I get goosebumps because of not only the message but the power behind the voices and orchestra. And contemporaty soul or rock conontations are never attached. I guess the closest we come is in Country Harvest Days when the Barbershop (type) quartet sings...it's more fun than what I would call contemporary.

    But then you probably already knew that about my church...It's not the Vineyard...that's for sure.
     
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    what about that new wave of praise and worship comming along in churches today? is this what our church have to look forward to in music.
     
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    Sadly, it does look that way.
     
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    No of course not. Why churches think that they have to adopt worldly attitudes to attract people to come to church I don't really understand. Church should be edifying and different from the world. That's my opinion anyway... I stick by what I said before.
     
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    What is Worldly about Praise and worship music? Where in secular music do you find that genre?

    And could it not be more "Biblical" than whatever you are implying is Biblical music.

    How do you discern from the Bible, using any proper method of interpretation, what style of music is Biblical.

    Most of the Bible's comments on music have to do with the use of it, the content, and the attitudes of the musicians. Not on the particular style. The style of music used in the Bible are not at all like the traditional high church hymns, or modern Worship music as far as we know.

    Just a simple question, What is Biblical music style, and how do you know?
     
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    What is Worldly about Praise and worship music? Where in secular music do you find that genre?

    And could it not be more "Biblical" than whatever you are implying is Biblical music.

    How do you discern from the Bible, using any proper method of interpretation, what style of music is Biblical.

    Most of the Bible's comments on music have to do with the use of it, the content, and the attitudes of the musicians. Not on the particular style. The style of music used in the Bible are not at all like the traditional high church hymns, or modern Worship music as far as we know.

    Just a simple question, What is Biblical music style, and how do you know?
     
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    Wow...it's been a long time since I've visited this place. Now that I'm here, I find it interesting how man can be so set in his or her own way of worship that we aren't open to the Holy Spirit and what God is doing with newer christian music and praise. Hymns do have their rightful place and very well should be appreciated and used, but so does the christian music and praise and worship that others want to deny access to.

    karen
     
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    Wow...it's been a long time since I've visited this place. Now that I'm here, I find it interesting how man can be so set in his or her own way of worship that we aren't open to the Holy Spirit and what God is doing with newer christian music and praise. Hymns do have their rightful place and very well should be appreciated and used, but so does the christian music and praise and worship that others want to deny access to.

    karen

    [ December 28, 2002, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: redwhitenblue ]
     
  14. Justified

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    As a rule of thumb, whatever you use to bring people into church, you have to keep it up and/or increase it to keep them! :eek:

    Happy New Year to all! [​IMG]
     
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    The Bible, KJV, says to "sing unto Him a new song;
    play skillfully with a loud noise" and "sing unto the
    LORD a new song: sing unto the LORD, all the
    earth. Sing unto the LORD, bless His name."

    "O sing unto the LORD a new song; for He hath
    done marvellous things: His right hand, and His
    holy arm, hath gotten Him the victory."

    "I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a
    psaltry and an instrument of ten strings will I sing
    praises unto thee."

    "Praise ye the LORD. Ssing unto the LORD a new
    song, and His praise in the congregation of saints
    . . . let them sing praises unto Himwith the timbrel
    and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in His
    people."

    In Isaiah, "I am the LORD: that is my name; and my
    glory will Ii not give to another . . . Sing unto the
    LORD a new song, and His praise from the end of
    the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and alll that
    is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof."

    And in Revelation, they will again sing a new song:
    "And they sung a new song, saying, 'Thou are
    worthy to take the book and open the seals there-
    of . . . ." "And they sung as it were a new song be-
    fore the throne . . . ."

    It seems to me that only people have problems
    with new music, not our God and not the writers
    of the Bible. Many want to sing only what they call
    the "old fashioned hymns" and do not want others
    to sing the songs they believe speak their praises
    to our Lord.

    According to the Bible, our songs please our God.
    He does not specify style. And few of us are sing-
    ing the original songs of the Bible, the people and
    writers of which certainly had not heard "The Old
    Rugged Cross," "The Church's One Foundation,"
    or "Sweet Hour of Prayer."

    We all know that old criticism that many of the
    church's old songs' melodies originated in bar
    songs, and some know that many of the "old
    fashioned hymns" are merely words written to the
    music of the Nazis as they worked their forced
    laborers and marched them to the gas chambers.
    Still they sing on while criticizing the artists who
    pour their hearts out in writing new songs before
    our God, in praise of His might works.

    Shall we each allow what is realy personal prefer-
    rence govern what others must sing, calling only
    our personal preferences "holy"? In my opinion,
    our God calls that "pride"; I call it (just being hon-
    est) infantile demanding of one's own way with dis-
    regard for others.

    By the way, has anyone written music to Revela-
    tion 15:3 - 4? Wow! Beautiful words!
     
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    My standards on music period is Hymns. I don't like this CCM stuff. Sorry folks but not only do I consider the beat worldly, but I just plan want to cringe when I hear someone playing the stuff. I know a lot of you won't agree with me, but you asked what our standards were.
    ~Abby
     
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    REading this, something occurred to me and I had to start smiling.

    Have you noticed that the older people in particular have problems with the contemporary 'sound'?

    Have you noticed that almost always older folks are like that concerning younger folks?

    I'm 54 now. I love the old hymns and some of the newer praise choruses. But you know something? When I was younger, I LOVED the upbeat, 'rocking' Christian sound, starting with some of the southern spirituals and extending to material with a good message but which I am not interested in listening to much anymore... [​IMG]

    I do think we mellow out, first of all, as many of us grow older, and that is reflected in our tastes and preferences. I also think that perhaps as we mature in Christ, the depth of the older hymns becomes more appealing to us.

    But for all of us, Christ picks us up from the lives we are living at the time of conversion, and although the change in heart is immediate, a lot of what is familiar is still familiar and friendly to us. So worldly rap is changed to Christian rap, and then it moves on from there.

    Some pieces and bits stay. I still love a lot of Amy Grant's old stuff! "Give Your Praise to the Lord" is full of interesting rhythms and very upbeat and I don't care what she has done with her life after that, I think the song is terrific!

    But when I am in church, when I am praising and singing with the congregation, I do prefer the old hymns now.

    But then, I'm growing older, too... [​IMG]

    On the other side, my 18 year old daughter has helped start a Christian band that practices in our garage (we have a detached large garage, thank you, Lord!) and I can hear the drums and rhythms across the drive in the house with all the windows shut.

    And the other night she came in and asked me for advice on part of a tune, how it should go, because she wasn't happy with it. I looked at the words she was writing to (which she herself had written) and was almost stunned by the beauty and meaning of them in terms of Christ. So while I pray they don't deafen themselves out there, the songs they are singing and writing, and the lessons they are (literally!) pounding into themselves are going to last their entire lifetimes.

    As long as I am across the drive with my windows shut, God bless them!
     
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    Amein, Helen!
     
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    I was saved when I was in my twenties. Before I was saved I listened to rock music. After I was saved, I found it repulsive. I began listening to the old hymns and found them to be more uplifting and soothing. My children all listen to old hymns and are repulsed by any "upbeat" music. I believe their ear was trained that way and that with the help of the Holy Spirit, they will always love the old hymns. They look at the modern music and the world and see the very fine line, if any that divides the two. So, not all of the young are listening to the upbeat music. And there are plenty of youth out there that don't. I think it goes more along with what the churches call music and what our youth are listening to.
     
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    Justified --

    Outside of my place of worship, I, as a believer,
    prefer classical music, particularly Mendelssohn,
    Mozart, Beethoven, and--oh! a newly favorite
    composer whose name slips me now--whose
    long name starts with an R.

    Does my love for classical music make it holy, or
    make it more acceptable among other believers,
    because I, as a beliver, prefer it? Or, perhaps,
    does my love for classical music make me less
    of a believer because it is not all old hymns?
    Does my distaste for certain styles of music,
    whether in the worship or not, make it less
    worthy?

    We are still dealing with personal taste. I tried
    to guide my children's tastes in music also, so
    they like similar styles of music to those I like.
    And while my daughter loves classical and
    married a professional bassonist, my son
    likes an eclectic selection of music and married
    a woman who does not care for music at all.

    It still comes down to personal taste.

    While I am accusing you of no such thing, I have
    dealt with people who measured one another's
    spirituality by their taste in music. Fortunately,
    our God does not.
     

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