What kind of Baptist are you?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Jeffrey H, Mar 12, 2004.

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What best describes your baptist affiliation?

  1. Southern

    58.0%
  2. Independent

    2.9%
  3. Missionary

    7.2%
  4. Primitive

    4.3%
  5. Bible

    2.9%
  6. Free Will

    4.3%
  7. Reformed

    20.3%
  8. Other (baptist in doctrine)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Jeffrey H

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    There's an old joke: When you ask 10 Baptists to interpret a passage of scripture, you'll get 10 different answers.

    The Baptist belief in the autonomy of the local church has definitely created many groups, for better and worse.
     
  2. Frogman

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    Excellent question, but I think it will be very difficult to pinpoint. Just take myself for instance. My local church is landmark missionary baptist (sovereign grace). Our name is simply Grider Memorial Baptist. In the last year I have met some naming themselves SGLMB which is Sovereign Grace Landmark Missionary Baptist and some make the distinction further as also being 'independent'. I think, though I don't know the role of the SBC, most Baptists would identify as 'independent' to one degree or the other. So, would have been my choice if offered. AS it stood, I chose missionary Baptist because I believe this relates closest to the commission and therein is found the authority (this whole idea of landmarkism etc). also within this is found the dissension over mother/daughter (chain-link) landmark (sometimes identified as neo-landmarkism, though I don't agree with that and the SE or self-Constituted Landmarkers holding only self constituted churches are NT churches.

    This is a significant question because non-Baptists really have a hard time distinguishing between those of us who have he various appellations hanging down from our hats.

    I have studied a little Baptist history in KY and as of 1976 there were at least 50 different groups identified in this state alone. This is probably not a true shock when you consider we have 120 counties each with independent county governments and have only recently seen some major mergers in Jefferson Co. and surrounding areas. I don't think this is always wise in the case of our church fellowship. I do think we are bound by our convictions to enter into a membership with a body of believers according to mutual agreement as to what necessary teachings of scripture are. I understand not all reasons of division are Biblically founded, but nonetheless, it happens.

    Thanks for posting this poll. If I were asked on the street my persuasion I would answer along the lines of a Sovereign Grace Landmark Missionary Baptist. Where the distinctives of the Baptist are taught I do not think these long name is needful and simply Baptist is sufficient. Where non-denominational bodies organize and agree with Baptist principles I think they should own that name and gladly so.

    Bro. Dallas

    In fact, I am working on a news-letter (online and through email for now) discussing the principles of the SGLMB. this will also include devotional and incerpts of Baptist history.

    Anyone interested in receiving that through email can contact me at [email protected] and make that request. Any one interested in submitting an article for consideration to include in the newsletter can also contact me there
     
  3. Jeffrey H

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    Frogman,

    Baptist churches that are affiliated with the SBC are independent, self-governing congregations that choose to align themselves with the mission endeavors of the SBC. The SBC does not and cannot exert any governing authority over the local churches. Contrary to what others may perceive, the SBC believes in the 'autonomy of the local church'.

    --Jeff
     
  4. Jeffrey H

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    Frogman,

    I got confused on your explantion of Landmarkism. What is that?

    --Jeff
     
  5. HankD

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    I heard it this way:

    When you ask 10 Baptists a question you get 12 opinions.

    [​IMG]

    HankD
     
  6. Frogman

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    Sorry, I don't know either :( :D

    Just kidding. I will tell you what I believe and others can correct me if wrong or can speak what they believe.

    A landmarker is someone who believes a true NT church found in the world today came directly through the centuries from other NT churches. That the church was never a real part of Roman Catholicism and is not a Protestant church. This is perhaps the best I can explain my meaning.

    There are two camps basically:

    First, a chain link landmarker or sometimes called a mother/daughter landmarker. These believe that NT churches are organized by a missionary or elder or a group of folks who have an extended authority from their local church to do this work. This is a simple statement regarding this view. But I am trying to keep it simple. (I am of this type of landmarker).

    Second, a belief that the NT church has always been in the world since Christ organized it during his ministry (same as the chain-link type) except that the connection is spiritual. This means to the best of my understanding, that where ever a church or believers are found and they have NT principles, they are a NT church. These are sometimes called self-constituted churches by the chain-link brethren.

    Those are the major issues between these two camps. As I said, anyone disagreeing with me is free to post accordingly. I have gleaned alot from discussing this through an email list of Historic Baptists, but it is nearly as touchy as the topic of divorce.

    There are many however who are and remain longsuffering and willing to learn and teach regarding this topic.

    May God Bless
    Bro. Dallas Eaton [​IMG]
     
  7. Frogman

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    Thanks for clarifying that about the SBC, I thought this would be true, but didn't know so I couldn't say I knew :cool: [​IMG]
     
  8. Frogman

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    Here are two pretty good links that may help you understand some of the distinctions between a chain-link believer and a self-constituted believer.

    For the self-constituted side:

    Grace Promulgator and Proclamator Newsletter

    For the chain link side:
    The Berea Baptist Banner

    Each of these links should provide more information than I have.

    Here are some more from the chain/link side, these are linked through the Berea Baptist site:

    Library
     
  9. Plain Old Bill

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    Took you poll as best I could, but would like to clarify.
    I am Independant: local NT body of beleivers Who may or may not fellowship with other local NT bodies of beleivers. To me there is no such thing as denomination and Baptist on this planet.

    Bible: When there is a conflict between what a denomination,fellowship,or conference beleives doctinely or otherwise with what the Bible says, the problem is thiers ,they need to make the correction or adjustment to what the Bible God's Holy Word says and teaches. Church or denominational,conference,or fellowship politics should never be an issue in matters of Following Our Lord and Savior. Use His instruction Book The Holy Bible. KJV,NASB,NIV,ESV,RSV a scolarly version, not a hip unisex version.
     
  10. Jeffrey H

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    Plain Old Bill,

    Thanks for taking the poll. "Independent" in this case would be a Baptist churches that do not align themselves with any convention, denomination, or association. In other words, they do not have a membership with any outside ecclesiastical body.

    It can be confusing because all Baptist churches, regardless of affiliation, are independent, self-governing congregations that can do whatever they want under the Lord's guidance.
     
  11. Dan Todd

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    I'm indescribable!
     
  12. Rosell

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    The three year old congregation that I pastor is made up largely of members from two nearby Baptist congregations (mega churches by definition) who left those churches because of changes related to their denominational affiliation and a perceived change in polity.

    The feeling among most of our members is that the SBC has indeed infringed upon the autonomy and independence of the local church. Via a newly formed state convention, the SBCT, the SBC is using eligibility for trustee board service as a weapon to enforce a specific doctrinal statement with prescribed practices upon local churches. Funds are being witheld from specific denominational agencies and the right to participate in SBC meetings is being withdrawn from churches who not only don't sign on the dotted line of the doctrinal statement, but also who don't wave the particular flag of the particular group of leaders that now run the denomination.

    When two megachurches in our area signed on and waved the flag, a lot of their members left and the end result was the formation of a new congregation, made up of many of the former members of these two churches, and some new folks who have come in from other backgrounds. The church is completely independent in affiliation, and operates under a non-denominational banner.

    I suspect that most Baptists would find our church very similar in doctrine and in polity to most Baptist churches. Our worship, which would be classified as "very contemporary" is probably the main difference from a typical Baptist church. We baptize by immersion, professing believers only, though we do receive members from churches of other denominational backgrounds on statement of their faith. Our polity is congregational, our leaders follow the servant model.
     
  13. Baptist Believer

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    Other. Specifically, a member of the Baptist General Convention of Texas, and formerly a Southern Baptist (although the SBC still officially claims me because some members of our church give money to the convention).
     
  14. Jeffrey H

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    [ March 16, 2004, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: Jeffrey H ]
     
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    I am a B I B L E believing Basptist! I went too Church in Southern California. My Parents moved from Very Northern California in 1964 to Southern. I really don't know what Southern California was in the early 1960s. :confused:

    hugs,
    Kristi Ann :D
     
  16. pinoybaptist

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    Interesting to note that my people, the Primitive Baptists, comprise the 4th largest membership on this board. I know, definitely, that Brothers Jeff Weaver and James Reed are PB's, and so is Primitive Baptist (who seems not to have been posting much lately) and Brother Tyndale1946 is PB, though he says he has left the church. And then myself, and that makes 5, but 5 hardly is 10%.

    Who are the others ?
     
  17. EPH 1:4

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    I was an IFB for 12 years, about a year and a half ago I joined the Primitive Baptist Church. I'm so glad the Lord led me here :D
     
  18. Jeff Weaver

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    Other Primitive Baptists who have frequented the board from time to time, also include Dragoon68, Old School Baptist, Changed Like Saul, and a couple of others, so that would make at least 9. We have also had a couple of our Strict Baptist brethren from England here in times past, but haven't seen them post anything lately. With the pruning of the records, some of them are likely no longer registered.

    As for me, I've been a member of the Primitive Baptist Church for 26+ years, and am coming up on the 25 anniversary of my ordination in July.
     
  19. pinoybaptist

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    Joined the church back in January 1999. Was Bible Baptist in the Philippines. Have unlearned a lot that I learned in seminary, and learning a lot one won't learn in seminary.

    To God be the glory !
     
  20. IanM

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    Southern Baptist from Tennessee. I grew up in Southern California but never went to church. Was saved at age 18 while in the Air Force. bove all though I am a servant of GOD.
     

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