What laws are we under?

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  1. TisMe

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    What Old or New Testament laws are we still under? And Matthew chapter 5 it states that God did not come to upholster law but to keep it however, Later and Romans chapter 6 it stats that we are no longer under the law. It is very confusing and I was wondering if everybody could give me their thoughts on what laws if there are laws are we still under or have all the laws been abolished? Thank you all in advance brothers and sisters in Christ for any help you may give me.
     
  2. Scarlett O.

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    Actually, what Jesus said was this:

    Well .... everything has been accomplished - in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Are there some laws in Leviticus and more that are still applicable today? Yes. But NOT because they are "in the law". Laws pertaining to things like murder, sexual sins, coveting, immorality, justice, mercy, and others still carry weight.

    Why?

    Because LONG before there ever was a nation of Israel and LONG before the law was every born, murder was a sin and it still is. Adultery, lying, cruel treatment of others, homosexuality, and more were sins from the beginning and are still sins today. It was a sin when Cain killed Abel. It was a sin when Rueben has sex with his father's concubine. It was a sin when the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah participated in homosexuality. It was a sin when Abraham and Sarah lied to two different kings and led them to believe that they were not married. It was a sin when Joseph's brothers allowed their anger at their father to torment them to a hatred of their brother. All of this took place centuries BEFORE the law ever existed.

    How could they be sins when there was no law?

    Because of God's Holy Nature. We are to emulate Him. God does not murder, steal, lie, and covet. He cannot be cruel, unjust, unmerciful, or unloving. He will not turn his back on his people and seek out another people to love. Ergo, we are to be just like Him as close as we can.

    To me, the Holy standard of God's Nature runs like a golden thread from out of Himself into the universe before He said "let there be light", into the Creation, the Garden, and it threaded it's way OUT of the Garden, into the nation of Israel, the law, and it threaded it's way OUT of the law and INTO the New Testament and beyond and His Holy Standard still abides today.

    We are to avoid sexual sins and sins of mistreating others and disrespecting God NOT because they are written down in the law, but because these sins represent what is opposed to the holy nature of God.

    If we were to abstain from these sins BECAUSE they are written down in the law, then we would have to participate in ALL of their lawful consequences. People today who committed adultery would have to be stoned in the streets. Young girls who become promiscuous would have to be burned at the stake. Young men who were rebellious would have to be publicly stoned. To adhere to the law for the law's sake, says Paul, is to adhere to ALL of it.

    Now, does that mean that we can completely DISREGARD what Leviticus says?

    Consider what Paul says in Galatians 5:1-4 and 13.

    [1] Christ has liberated us into freedom. Therefore stand firm and don't submit again to a yoke of slavery. [2] Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all. [3] Again I testify to every man who gets circumcised that he is obligated to keep the entire law. [4] You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace!..................... [13]For you are called to freedom, brothers; only don't use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. [14] For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


    When in doubt about "do's" and "don't", we are to be imitators of Christ and God says that we are to be holy as He is holy. And Christ, Himself, said that the greatest two commandments were to love God and to love others as we love ourselves. If we get THOSE TWO commandments under our belt, we won't have to worry about anything else.
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    The law for christians under new Covenant is to walk in the holy spirit, and he will empower us to live as we ought, for he new nature in us will seek to please God!

    reckon yourself has dead to sin, alive to christ, active in putting to deasth deeds of your old nature...
     
  4. convicted1

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    We are under the Law of Christ......
     
  5. Aaron

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    I'm going to make this as clear and succinct as possible: the law is on earth and grace is in heaven.

    You are not justified by the works of the law, but the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    As far as justification: grace and only grace. Come boldly before the throne of God. Grace is in heaven.

    As far as knowing good and evil and living righteously, the law. Sin on earth, and suffer the consequences on earth. Obey on earth, and reap the rewards of obedience. The law is on earth.

    In the O.T. there are civil, ceremonial and moral laws. As the Temple and priesthood were only temporary and have ended, we are no longer to observe the ceremonial law in outward fashion, but the spiritual significances thereof are eternal. Some civil law still applies, some doesn't. Depends on whether or not they have their roots in ceremony or morality. Still, all civil law has a spiritual significance to the church. The moral laws are eternal, universal and are to be observed and enforced world wide, Christian or not.
     
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    walk in the HS, and keep abiding in Christ, and you will fulfill the Law of the New Covenant!
     

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