What Luke 13:6-9 is revealing ?

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  1. dan p

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    Hi to all , and what this parable is saying is a quote from Isa 5:7 .

    And in verse 6 , A certain man ( speaking of the FATHER ) had a Fig Tree planted in His vineyard , and the ( FATHER ) came and sought fruit thereon , and found none . Matt 3:8 .

    In verse 7 , He said unto the DRESSER ( which is Jesus ) of His vineyard , Behold , these 3 YEARS ( the beginning of Jesus earthly ministry ) I have come seeking fruit on this FIG Tree ( fig tree is Israel ) and find none , cut it down why are you letting this fig tree take up SPACE .

    Then in verse 8 Jesus answers the FATHER , said unto Him ( LORD/JEHOVAH ) , let it alone this year also , till I shall dig about it and Fertilizer .

    Then in verse 9 , And if it bear fruit good , and if not , then after that thou shall cut it down . We see from Matt 3:10 , that the AXE is ready to cut Israel off .

    There are many conclusions as to what happens to Israel and the #1 , is that Israel is set aside , until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in , Rom 11:25 , and Israel was set aside in 70 AD .
     
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    ANd here I thought you were asking a question. :laugh:

    I think the interpretation you gave is sound.
     
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    >There are many conclusions as to what happens to Israel and the #1 , is that Israel is set aside

    For Dispensationalists (Darbyites), maybe. 20% of Christendom?
     
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    set aside ?

    Hi , billward , and I believe that most of christianity takes a stand that Israel has been set aside , but most do not have a time line , and where do you think that Israel has been set aside , if you believe that they HAVE been set aside ?

    Why , Darbyties , as I know many S B who are dispensational and it began in Eph 3:1-3 , and is that where Paul wrote about it , and was not written by Darby , as I do not see Darby's name in Eph 3:1-3 . So who wrote about it FIRST ??
     
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    Luke 13:10, “There were present at that feast some that told Him of the Galileans …”

    Who are thesesome that told Him”? They were the Pharisees and leaders of the people against whom Jesus warned his disciples, 12:1c. They were those who would “bring you unto the synagogues and magistrates and powers”, 12:11a. Peter asks Jesus in 12:41, “Lord, speakest Thou this parable unto us, or even to all? And the Lord said, Who is that faithful and wise steward whom his lord shall make ruler over his household?” Did Jesus speak this parable to us, or to all, or to the leaders, the unfaithful stewards and the unwise rulers over his household? He spake it to us all! [Let us ask ourselves if we are faithful and wise, or unfaithful and foolish, whether we be servants, members, or rulers, of the household of the Lord.]

    Clearly therefore, the “some that told Him of the Galileans”, were the same as the “stewards” (storekeepers or accountants) of whom the Lord expected they out of the treasury and food-store filled from the produce of the “vineyard”, ought to “give the people their portion of meat in due season”, 42b. But, alas! they were those unfaithful stewards whom the Lord Jesus in 12:56 straight in the face, and again, calls, “hypocrites” (12:56). The “some that told Him of the Galileans”, were those “rulers” who “with thine adversary goest to the magistrate”. They were those who “deliver thee to the officer to cast thee into the prison” (12:58). The “some”, are those (of the last verse in chapter 12 before chapter 13 begins), whom Jesus speaks to, “I tell you …!” They were the pastors of the flock, owners of the vineyard, and stewards of the treasury and harvest, who would shear in winter and expect fruit from the tree not of age, to take, and to take more than fair portion, meat, meat outside due season!

    These are the unwise rulers over his household that argue, But rabbi, can’t you see God hates and punishes the wicked? Who are the victims of His wrath? Where is God’s Justice?! “He preserveth the souls of his saints; He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked, Ps97:10!” (They quoted not Ps116:6, but reminded Jesus –13:10, “We preach the Law in the synagogues every Sabbath!”) ... Eighteen or eighteen thousand rabble [‘para pantas tous anthrohpous’ – ‘ochlocracy’] buried under the tower of Siloam ... it’s indifferent; at closer scrutiny, rabbi Jesus, (11), Pilate loosed them from their infirmities! All are rewarded a penny penny’s worth! A tree is planted for its fruit, Rabbi, to fill, and not to tap, the coffers. That’s why it happened to them! ...’
     
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    Jesus to those ‘above’, ‘all the people’ – ‘above’ the ‘simple’, the ‘masses’ – to those above and ruling the household: “Ye think that they, were sinners above all men else ...? (In other words, were the lowest of all men?) Nay, I tell you, Except you, repent, you, shall like (those accursed) men perish” ... perish because you above all men else holy and ruling, are above all men else the sinners!

    Verse 6: “He spake / told them this parable ...” Jesus addressed “them”, the “some”, of verse 1a, the rulers and owners of the people! And He meant they, as, and for being, the “certain man (who) had a fig tree planted in his vineyard”. Jesus meant the “some” – the pastors of the Flock and the stewards of the Treasury (His People) – as, and for being, the “certain man”, who “came and sought fruit” on and from the fig tree, “but found none”. (He found a people as barren as his own soul.) That ‘certain man’ – that ‘man of esteem’ – never “dressed”, never “dug”, and never “fertilised”, the fig tree of his ownership and responsibility. At last, “Begged the Gardener, Let it alone this year yet, till I shall have tended it”.

    Dear brother in Jesus Christ, you now know who the vineyard is, and who, its owner. Go fathom Who the ‘Dresser’ –the ‘Gardener’ in this story– is, and re-interpret this parable, and rewrite your sermon, to His glory, and “comfort ye My People, saith the Lord”.
     
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    GE:
    Dan, that preacher pastor preached just like you.
     
  8. dan p

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    Preached ??

    Hi Gerhard Ebersoehn , and I like what I wrote and l he likes what he wrote , and you make up your own mind up !
     
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    One of my bibles explains it this way:

    This parable symbolizes Israel's last opportunity to repent before experiencing God's judgment. Three years signifies that Israel has had enough time to repent. Sir, let it alone this year. The period of grace and opportunity is extended, but only for a limited time. Dig around it implies loosening the soil so that water can flow easily to the roots; if the fig tree does not respond, it will be cut . . . down (cf. vv. 34–35; 19:41–44). The Greek construction suggests that this last attempt will also result in failure. God's graciousness and patience should not be presumed upon.

    Seems pretty thorough.

    ...seems to me to maybe be like a "double parable". .It is possible to think of one who rejects the gospel, and continues to reject it. If they dont respond, they will be cut down and thrown into the fire. If the "greek construction suggests that the last attempt will result in failure also" Then it leads me to think, that one isn't given alot of chances to "respond" to the gospel. For the elect,(I am reformed by the way) God will most likely regenerate them upon hearing the gospel the first time. If they havent responded after several encounters with the gospel, one could speculate (although dangerous and something I wouldnt do),that they will never be regenerated and therefore are of the non-elect.

    That being said, I dont want to "read into" scripture. Just food for thought I guess..Sola Fide!
     

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