What Makes a "GREAT" Christian School?

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Lots of debate over what factors help define a Christian college, seminary or university as "great".

    I'll start out a list on what I'd look for in a "Great Bible College":<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Strong Bible core required<LI>Solid Academic verification (accredited)<LI>Original Languages required<LI>Blend of Core Academic courses required<LI>Intelligent rules of conduct for students<LI>Active involvement of students in ministry<LI>Mentoring program by faculty<LI>Reformed and fundamentalist, pre-trib, pre-mill doctrinal positions[/list]What would YOU add/subtract from this?
     
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    Dr. Bob,
    Add, Born again christian profesors (Look what has happen to so many of our IFB and SBC schools and don't forget Yale, Harvard and Dartmouth just to name a few).
    Subtract, that is for me anyway, I'm not sold out to limited atonement.
     
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    Bob,
    I like the first seven.
     
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    I'd subtract part of the last line. I think a Bible College can be Biblically faithful without being pre-trib pre-mil. I'd add being financially responsible in stewardship of its resources, something many Bible Colleges are woeful at.

    [ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: TomVols ]
     
  5. Chick Daniels

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    I would add not being top-heavy with a president who micro-manages the whole place by inserting himself into every detail. The president needs to defend the faculty and give them latitude to teach their convictions and not just reflect the position of the president. A great college should be more known for its great faculty, than for the president.
     
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    An institution is a "lengthened shadow of a man". Maranatha BBC and Grad School were founded by Dr. B Myron Cedarholm and had his "stamp" on every program and faculty member.

    It is now, sadly, drifting from the shadow of Dr. C into uncharted waters. Same is holding true to almost all ifb schools.

    BJU has kept its basic philosophy going for 4 generations by keeping it "all in the family". Shallow gene pool, but folks still today know what BJU was and is and is to come.

    Unlike some schools that begin a subtle slide from their founders' visions.
     
  7. Chick Daniels

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    Dr. Bob,

    Is your assumption that Dr. Cedarholm's vision was always clear or did he have blind spots? I am all for MBBC sticking to Dr. Cedarholm's vision so long as it aligns with Scripture, but in areas where improvements can be made, I say let them be made. Fidelity to the Scriptures is the real issue, and I am confident that Dr. Cedarholm would have it that way--rather than a college in year 2002 trying to prop up things that Dr. C now knows are wrongheaded.

    Furthermore, Dr. C. had not allowed faculty to teach a couple of views that differed from what he held to, even though it was his view that was the weakest Scripturally. I do not believe this contributes to a quality education on the part of the learners.

    Also, I don't think that the degree of attachment to a founder correlates to the degree of sliding into "uncharted waters." The Scriptures are charted waters, and as long as MBBC stays faithful to the Scriptures, what Dr. C. believed is irrelevant. Very few current MBBC students ever met Dr. C., and even fewer were ever influenced by him. In fact, this next fall freshman class was 13 years old when Dr. C passed away, and they were BORN AFTER AQW took the helm at MBBC.
    Expecting them to have some kind of "connection" to Dr. C. is unrealistic and unnecessary.

    If MBBC is drifting into error, it is because they have lost a handle on the Scriptures, not because they lost track of Dr. Cedarholm. [​IMG]

    Chick
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> It is now, sadly, drifting from the shadow of Dr. C into uncharted waters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Dr. Bob,

    What exactly do you mean by that statement?

    I have to completely agree with Chick on this one. Whenever a man is the "anchor" there are both pros and cons, but if a school stays faithful to the Word, the course will be true.
     
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    My own children have sheepskins with MBBC on their walls. As do their mother and I have both a BA and MA. I love the school.

    When I attended, great emphasis was placed on fidelity to the Word of God - study in the Greek and Hebrew (I took both) to understand God's revelation.

    Also, academics started out weak, but grew steadily. This peaked some years back. As did involvement in ministry in local churches (dear to the heart of Dr. Cedarholm). Historic Baptist principles were taught, as was Baptist history.

    Now, have things changed?

    My children were forced to buy and use only KJV. Speakers and association with the lunatic fringe of the KJVonly cult-like bunch scares me for my alma mater.

    Doctrinal fidelity (I was inculcated with reformed doctrine glorifying God for salvation) seemed now weak or non-existant. Sadly, Calvinists are a dying breed at MBBC. MacArthur is dissed and an Arminian drift is second most appalling in my opinion.

    Great emphasis was placed on ministry, with academics getting short shrift in some cases. The number of tracts you pass out somehow is more important than homework.

    Baptist history was replaced with the John Smyth protestant saga and none of my kids could even begin to list the distinctives.

    Emphasis was on externals, a pseudo-spirituality earned from doing good works.

    Classes and instructors become annoying obstacles to wet-behind-the-ears novices from so-called "preaching" that is more like I'd expect from Hyles and his ilk.

    Yes, I think there have been some improvements, but I fear the future. I visit campus 3-4 times a year, have had all my family graduate, was Editor of the Alumni paper for 7 years . . but have never even been asked to preach in Chapel.

    My kind is not wanted. I am the "old" Maranatha, taught to think and be outspoken in the battle for truth.
     
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    Is this not what you get when you get an evangelist for a president instead of an educator? Jaspers has never been confused with a theologian or a scholar of any sort. His distaste for Calvinism is well known. MBBC made a PR choice, not an academic one and I think it is costing them greatly. Until MBBC rights the ship, I won't encourage anyone to go there.
     
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    The slide Dr. Bob mentions, for the most part, occured under the previous administration. Dave Jaspers has not had a long enough tenure to put his mark on the school. He may, or may not, improve things. But, as with most Bible Colleges, it is not perfect, but it is way ahead of most. It is a far superior to BJU, HAC and PCC, just to mention a few.
     
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    Just reread my last post and, although out of integrity I will not change a word (I stand by what I have observed), it DID sound really "whiney".

    I apologize for its tone, not its content. And remember, I have kids at MBBC teaching and do love the school deeply!!

    No school is free from problems; my closeness to it in recent experience clouds my opinion. Reader beware.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas Cassidy:
    BJU, HAC and PCC,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    This is a strange combination. Talk about somethign that has nothing in common with the other two. Give me a break. :rolleyes:
     
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    Larry, NONE of the three are truly "baptist" so they do have something in common. I personally would not have linked BoJo with the looney-tunes, but it wasn't my call.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification I requested, Dr. Bob. I'm whole-heartedly on board theologically and philosophically with the viewpoint you advocate.

    I had no contact with Maranatha or its graduates during the Cedarholm years. Was he really aligned against the KJVO crowd and in favor of Calvinistic theology more than the recent and current administrations?
     
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    I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "great" Bible college. I went to two. They were both terrible.

    Most of them are good if you want their view of God and the Bible crammed down your throat. If you want a true college, or school, and a valid learning experience, go somewhere else.

    Baptists are supposed to be known for "Priesthood of the Believer" and their willingness to accept dissent. Both colleges I attended accepted no dissent, and wanted to run your life for you. Both are considered among the "best" in the fundamentalist Baptist tradition. I wouldn't give you two cents for either of them put together. I went elsewhere and got a real education.

    My experience at both of those schools caused me to abandon church for a long, long time and I am just now returning, though I am avoiding any kind of church that has anything to do with the kind of colleges I went to.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Siegfried:
    I had no contact with Maranatha or its graduates during the Cedarholm years. Was he really aligned against the KJVO crowd and in favor of Calvinistic theology more than the recent and current administrations?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good questions. I was an undergrad the first year of the college (my senior year) then received the first MA from their fledgling graduate school.

    But remember, there WAS NO KJVO MOVEMENT in 1968! That is a modern cult-like sect of fundamentalism that has grown like tares among us. The emphasis was on Greek and Hebrew (original languages), though some were involved in the Dean Burgon Society which championed the AV.

    Dr. Hyles came to MBBC for the opening convocation the very first year. Yet within a couple of years, he started his OWN college since he was not "happy" with what MBBC was doing.

    They were teaching academics and sound theology (all my theology profs would be very calvinistic), local church work - not the pseudo-ifb "1-2-3-pray-after-me" mentality that was sweeping ifb-dumb.

    That was a balanced program. Dr. Weniger (next president, 15 years later) beefed up the academic core and led MBBC into full accreditation and teacher certification. It puts a small ifb school "on the map" with the big boys.

    Am just hanging loose, waiting and watching . . and wondering. I am certainly not happy with what I'm seeing. But that's just me.
     
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    Having attended from 77-81, graduating with a BA in 81, I think it would be fair to say that Dr. Cedarholm should be thought of as a "free-thinker" when it come to the CvA question. From my observation of the man, I think he took a Biblical stand as he saw it. Thus, he was too much of an Arminian for some and too much of a Calvinist for others. In other words, he was a Baptist, as he had not a Protestant bone in his body.
    Hoping to shed more lighth than heat,
    Keith

    [ February 14, 2002: Message edited by: The Squire ]
     
  19. Chick Daniels

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    Dr. Bob, thanks for all your comments and clarifications. I feel your pain.

    ;)

    Chick
     
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    Keep in mind, Dr. Bob is sick. He has a multitude of ailments (not to mention the brain atrophy which comes to all of us with age). :D He reminds me of the old guy who had limburger cheese in his moustache and thought the whole world smelled. [​IMG]

    Maranatha, like all schools (Baptist ones are no exception), has many good and strong points and a few weak ones. Take for instance my wife's Music Appreciation class is a real winner ;)

    Dr. Bob's original list was pretty complete though he got carried away at the end with some of his quirks. :D :D

    The one thing I might add is the important of an emphasis upon ministry. Young people need to be taught to serve.

    I Peter 2:11-17 -- "I beseech you...with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men...as the servants of God...."
     

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