What makes the difference?

Who said we have to do it over and over? I never said anything like that.

Why don't you just stop here and stop making up and adding new stuff to complicate the issue?

 

Well, if Paul said to "examine yourselves" after you had already bore witness with the Spirit of God, must of been a concern that maybe you were fooled in that bearing witness.

I don't make up nothing, I give you the turth with scripture. If you can show me something I made up, show me. Are you telling me that you only examined yourself one time after you read what Paul wrote or have you examined yourself many times as I have. I look in the mirror quite often, I want to make it as sure as I can

 

Yea, bad for all the rest.

 

I thank that God has a answer for this. John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were Evil. John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

Did you notice that phrase "wrought in God"? This tells us why some will come to the light. Otherwise, you have salvation by human merit.

 

Exactly. :thumbs:

 

what about "lest his deeds be reproved"? Forgiven!

Not good works is it, such as "believe"?

 

reproved here means "rebuked" or "exposed." Those who do not come to the light (as all do not by default) do so because they do not want their evil deeds to be exposed and rebuked for what they are. Those who do come to the light make their deeds manifest that they are wrought in God. Those who come to the light do so because God caused it by changing their hearts.

 

If they are dead to God, how would they know their deeds would be exposed?

seems his sins have to be rebuked, not him.
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elegcho
el-eng'-kho
of uncertain affinity; to confute, admonish:--convict, convince, tell a fault, rebuke, reprove. (Is "tell a fault" kinda like confessing?)

 

Why would a corpse care?

 

Like I said, there will be no amswer that will satisfy the Calvinist's need for an answer.

The Bible is clear that every man is given enough light to know of God, what he does with that light is his own choice. As for us "free willers", we are simply not going to confine God to some box that man has built in order to "rationally" understand Him.

About the stupidest thing ever witnessed is a Calvinist arguing with a free willer. DOn't you tulip sniffers know we were predestinated to argue with you? Don't get so upset!

 

In other words: "Here is the answer I wanted. I am not going to accept any other answer. Any other answer given, even if it is logical (and possibly right) will be immediately overlooked and considered irrational and wrong, because it is not the answer I wanted you to give that I already had answered in my head. Npet, thank you for answering the answer I wanted, for it is the only answer I was going to accept and the only one I will ever believe. I am predestinated to be this way."

 

John 3:
16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20: For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21: But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You won't even accept the answer God give you.

If you read the above scripture with an "open" mind, you will see that both groups had a chance, depended on who or what they "loved". If those who loved darkness would reprove their deeds, they too could come to the light. Simple but it don't work for "closed minded" people.

 

If you need to think that to comfort the lack of work in that dead orthodox belief system.

 

Thank you Brother Bob. THat was one answer, along with Romans 1:17-32, that I would have gave.

As stated numerous times though, the answer will not be accepted because it is not the answer that a Calvinist wants.

A good Bible study for a Calvinist would be to search out the word "willing" in their Bible. One would be amazed how many individuals were "willing" or "not willing" to do something.

 

Dale, I have a question for you. Why does God choose one person but not choose another? I guarantee you're answer will be "I don't know". So, based on your own logic, calvinism is invalid because you do not have an answer other than "I don't know".