What message is God sending in this case ...?

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  1. CoJoJax

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    Hey guys..

    I'm already going to say off the bat, I don't have NEAR the knowledge of the Bible and everything as you guys too .. especially reading through all these posts .. but I was hoping by signing up that I would learn a thing or two.

    Here in Jacksonville, FL, a little girl named Haleigh Cummings (5-years-old), was kidnapped out of her home in the middle of the night Monday. (Link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131162&catid=294). It's a very sad story and not great to hear considering that whole Caylee Anthony thing that occured recently nearby.

    First off, I ask that everybody please pray for the safe return of this little girl. Stories like this always make me very sad - I hope that God can return her to her family.

    Secondly, my question is -- why does God allow an event like this to happen? Is it to teach something to the child, the parents, the community ..? Or would you say this is more Satan's doing?

    I just want to get better understanding of this all ..

    Thanks.

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  2. Mexdeaf

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    Good question with no concrete answer- except that God is sovereign and nothing happens outside of his providence. Job has the same questions and came to this conclusion after God spoke to him-

    Then Job answered the LORD and said:
    "I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
    'Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?
    'Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
    'Hear, and I will speak; I will question you, and you make it known to me.'
    I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees you; therefore I despise myself, and repent in dust and ashes."

    God knows the purpose.
     
  3. Salamander

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    Is everything that ever happens according to the Divine will of God or are there other forces at work?

    God isn't playing games with the lives of people so he can sit back and watch another "thriller" on the telly.:sleep:
     
  4. CoJoJax

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    I wasn't implying that .. :confused:
     
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    Because sin abounds. Love always requires the possibility of evil or there is no love. Contrary to what our reformed brothers believe love always requires a choice or there is no love.
     
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    CoJo;

    This event is very much within my back yard. It is a scary thing that is happening within the small community of Satsuma. I think that God has allowed these things to happen because of sin. (Not that this is necessarily the case here but likely.)

    The young man who is the father is shacking up with a 17 year old girl who was given the responsibility for the care of Haliegh and her 3 year old sibling. The lack of parenting skills does not mean that God is not in control of what happened to Haliegh. Haliegh's mother lives in southern Georgia.

    This whole brake up of the family unit is putting very young children in grave jeopardy. God set up the family for the specific purpose of protecting children as they are raised. When we fail to do as God has instructed us we are the ones subject to the consequences of our disobedience, not God.
     
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    Nothing ever happens to us that God doesn't allow. Just because we don't understand it. some don't believe He is soverign, totally in control of the universe, at all times. God doesn't have to explain Himself to us, he didn't to Job.
     
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    May its like Jesus said in John 9

     
  9. CoJoJax

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    Wow -- you have a lot of details on this. That is a crazy story. I can't believe the circumstances involved.

    You are absolutely correct in your last paragraph - excellent comment, thank you. :thumbs:
     
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    Thank you for the scripture reference. That's great, thanks.

    Would you be able to explain the scripture further? Or anybody else on here? I just don't understand the significance of Jesus saying "but that the works of God should be revealed in him" in reference to the question who sinned in relation to the man's blindness since birth.

    I'm fairly new to studying/reading the Bible compared to a lot of you guys on here, so bare with me here please! :tonofbricks:
     
  11. Joshua Rhodes

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    Jesus is sumply saying that this had happened so that Jesus could come and heal him. It wasn't necessarily because of sin, or his parents' sin, or any other outside factor... he could've been born blind simply for this exact moment... so that he could be healed, and God would be revealed.
     
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    Good explanation. :flower:
     
  13. Scarlett O.

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    Here's a great website that tries to answer hard questions like this.


    Here's a link to the answer to the question, "why does God allow evil to happen." Because the question is not an easy one, you'll have to read the answer quietly and meditatively and more than once to digest it all. I've posted his summary below the link.



     
  14. Salamander

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    And I wasn't replying to you either, I was speaking to that other poster. The same applies though, everything that happens is not due course according to the will of God or there wouldn't ever have been sin in the first place.

    God doesn't allow sin so He can later punish others by it or as a result of sin. that would make Him the initiator of sin and he is NOT!
     
  15. Salamander

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    No he didn't, he said his blindness being healed was so that the works of God be made manifest, not that the fellow being born blind was so Jesus could heal him!:laugh:
     
  16. Salamander

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    The idea that God made the fellow blind from birth just so He could heal him later to prove something makes God two things He says he's not!

    1. God is not a respector of persons

    2. God is not a tyrant
     
  17. Joshua Rhodes

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    I don't believe that makes God either of those two things. But arguing with you is rarely fruitful, so I'll bow out. Please impart thy wisdom upon us.
     
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    I really don't care what you believe and my observation is that anytime some one disagrees with you you attack them in the same manner as you have my person.

    I only gave the true meaning as to why the man was born blind, it was natural. And God healing him was super-natural. It was a sign that Jesus is the Messiah, not so the man could be blind, suffer for that blindness, along with others suffering because of it.

    :sleep:

    Why is it so many like you have this "chip on the shoulder" mentality when your "wisodm" is refuted with truth?:sleep:

    Looking for reasons for evil's happenings is completely unfruitful, but rather we should be about seeking how to glory God in the presence of all evil! Including the evil way you responded to me.:godisgood:
     
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    You will get a lot of views here. Just look at the difference between Joshua Rhodes and Salamander's.

    I lean toward Joshua's view myself. Things like this happen becuase there is sin in the world. While God is soveriegn He is not a dictator. He doesn't pull our puppet strings every moment of every day. (btw a word study of the King James reveals not a single use of the word sovereign in the entire Bible)

    Children are snatched from their beds because the heart of man is desperately wicked. And that is all there is to it.

    You ask, why would God let it happen? Because God in His infinite wisdom choose to allow men to continue to live in creation even though He knew they would sin. He nearly destroyed us all at the flood, yet the Bible says He looked at what He'd done and vowed to never take such drastic action again.

    Sin is what brought this child into the unknown. Who's sin? Seems there is plenty of blame to go around.

    Only in eternity will sin finally be resolved. Until then we're stuck with it and its earthly consequences.
     

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