What nationality are you?

This doesn't make a distinction as we non-reformed folks would agree to these words.

And in line with what Paul said in 1 Cor

The difference between General Baptists and Particular Baptists is who's heart does God reach to, open it, and convict of salvation. Some or all.

 

How is that any different from believing that God looked down the annals of time and elected those who he saw would believe and yet created people that He knew would not ever believe ? Is that not creating a group of people destined for damnation?

 

The difference is He gave them the opportunity and they rejected Him after He opened their heart and gave them the ability to receive Him. That is not creating them for them with no opportunity to receive Him.

 

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Who on earth teaches this?

Cheers,

Jim

 

Beulahlandonian

 

I have never met an arminian period.

 

...and I by your camps use of "THE doctrines of grace".

According to you. And you are...?

I'm not a calvinist, so I'm a non cal.
I'm not an arminian, so I'm a non arm.

What would you like to see those of us who fall into that camp use?

 

Are you saying Calvinists don't love other believers ?

 

By some of the posts on the BB, you would be hard pressed to believe so.

 

Can someone be a Calmeniest?

 

Not according to Dale.

 

German, Dutch, Welsh.

 

I am the most hated nationality in the world I am a white American male made up of Cherokee Indian and German.

 

Not true.. sort of

There are many Calvinists who will not allow the 4 pointers the declarion of the name Calvinist. Even on the BB, I know of 2 off the top of my head who disgree they are real Calvinists (Jauthor, and Rippon).
Technically they are called - amyraldism

Even R.C. Sproul made this statement in his book - The Truth of the Cross (pp. 140-142) on four-point Calvinists"
"I think that a four-point Calvinist is an Arminian."
But he is also known for saying "I believe it's possible for a person to believe four points without believing the fifth, although I don't think it's possible to do it consistently or logically."

It is in the last part (not being logical or consistent) is where he places them as Arminians.

Even J.W. Hendryx has an essay on the subject at Reformedtheology.com entitled - 'There are no Four Point Calvinist'.

 

Actually brother, this is NOT the typical Arminian view by any means.
The typical view of Arminians is 'keeping yourself saved' because you can loose it at any time through sin. There is not a OSAS view in Arminian theology.

Agreed with respect to being an Arminian or a Calvinsit. Either you adhere to all 5 basic points of each system or you are not in that group, period.

If a person holds to a OSAS view, this automatically removes them from the Arminian camp just as not holding to the L in Calvinism removes 4 pointers from their camp. Now if we give allowances for just 1 point - then yes those people can be called such, but if a person diverges on 2 points then there is no question they can not be considered to be apart of which ever camp they state or are accused of being in.

As to monergism and synergism.. IMO - The only true monergist I know of are the Primitive Baptists who beleive that salvation is absolutely the work of God and man has no say - not even faith. They are born saved and are saved even if they don't know about or even reject God.

IF man can not be saved without or apart from his willingness to believe - then by definition you are a synergist.

Because without mans participation God will not and thus can not save him. Again - IMO

 

American, both of my parents were born in America.