What Obama Offered Blagojevich

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I am not dismissing the story - I think it might have legs.

I suspect there is more here than meets the eye.

 

Yea, no one can either defend anyone or condemn anyone at this point. All names mentioned should be open to scrutiny.

 

I still wanna wait before putting any blame on him.

And even if he did lie about this, his hordes have been pretty unwilling to look at Obama without bias, and realize he has a lifetime of shady charachters as friends & close associates. They still wanna believe he's gonna pay their mortgage.

 

If the tapes have one of the staffers (Immanuel would be particularly harmful as his chief of staff) relaying a message from Obama that all he is offering is "gratitude", it will certainly hurt Obama. As an "offer", it is clear that the governor had made known his expectations of a payoff and Obama countered the governor's demands with an offer of gratitude. It demonstrates Obama knew that corruption involving the seat was in progress, and did nothing to stop it.

He wouldn't even get credit for not particating in the corruption, because it soils his image as an outsider who only wants what's best for the country.

It will say that he was aware of the corruption but was content to allow it to continue as long as it didn't hurt his presidency.

If this has legs, (i.e what do the tapes say?) then it will undermine his presidency from day one.

peace to youraying:

 

The more I read the more this has the 'feel' of a real story.

If there is truth I think it will do serious harm to the whole image thing.

He is, after all, a Daly Democrat.

We shall see.

 

This is nothing more than an Obama witch hunt by the usual cast of charcters on this board, Roger. Don't join them. You're better than that.

 

I disagree Ken - there are too many sources from too many viewpoints who don't seem to be able to get a handle on this one.

You know how much I dislike unfair and unsupported attacks. This has a different 'feel.'

Just not willing to dismiss it yet.

 

I will say this about Obama.. even if he, or one of his, was approached, he refused to play...

That is decent!

I still say someone in the Obama camp tipped off the authorities...

There is not much love between Obama and Blago....

 

This cry from people like you for the last 18 months is exhausting.

 

:laugh: Yes, I'm laughing but it is rather sad if you think about it.

 

Story is here

The story has been out all day. I don't think Obama's protecting anyone.

Here is the touchy part which I don't find illegal and seems normal for someone in Barack's position.

 

Look, we just don't know yet.

However, Obama initially denied any contact at all. That means he was "parsing his words" to say the least.

Blago said that Obama was only willing to give "gratitude". That seems to indicate that the governor had made known his intention to someone (Emmanuel?) to profit from the appointment.

If that person (Emmanuel?) took that information to Obama, and he did nothing to notify authorities of the corruption that was taking place (even if he was distancing himself from it), it speaks volumes of his attitude toward corruption in politics. It says he is willing to look the other way while corrupt politicians made dirty deals.

We will have to see what the tapes say.

peace to youraying:

 

Paraphrasing MacArthur [Douglas that is.] speaking about China: Dont waken a sleeping giant. Let KenH sleep!!!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

No, it means that he didn't have any contact.

 

Obama said HE didn't have contact. How is that parsing words if he is still saying HE didn't have contact.

Or it could mean the Gov knew Obama from the years they served in the same City so he knew all Obama would give was appreciation. Perhaps he knew not to waste his time trying to extort Obama. Why does Obama have to be guilty of something?

That's a big IF but again you have him being guilty before these kind of facts have come forward.