What order do you believe salvation takes?

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  1. stilllearning

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    I believe, that this is the correct order;
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    foreknowledge, (It all starts with God, knowing the decision we will make:)
    election, (Then we are elected and predestined to be saved:)
    predestination,
    redemption, (This is a result of our faith in Christ!)
    regeneration, (This is the new birth.)
    justification, (Being justified before God, based upon our faith:)
    sanctification, (Being set apart unto God, as we obey Him.)
    glorification (The moment we each get our glorified bodies!)
     
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    You left out a key point.

    Creation.

    Some of the above happened before creation and some after. It is key to understand that God know before God created.

    I would say this..

    God KNEW
    God decreed
    God created.
    God elected and predestined

    Man fell

    God sent Christ for redemption of the elect
    Holy Spirit brings regeneration. (faith is given to believe)
    Believer believes and is justified.
    Sanctification begins in the believer and ends with glorification
     
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    I am surprised James didn't "quote" you the "Golden Chain of Salvation," Rom 8:29-30. You have it pretty much correct.

    Foreknowledge of who will believe -- predestining them to sanctification in life and beyond -- then came creation/time as James points out -- then comes calling to belief -- then justification of the believer -- then glorification which is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit making our bodies "terrestrially glorified."

    Did you notice that "sanctification" was left out of this "chain?" We, indeed, must be sanctified while we live but that is part of being glorified as we live. It's what Jesus said of Himself (died that He might be glorified) and He said it of Lazarus before He raised him as well. It basically means our bodies glorify God to the extent that we allow Him to sanctify our lives through the Spirit.

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    There is no such thing as earthly glorification Sp.
     
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    God's grace.
    the moving of his Holy Spirit in our lives
    our responce.
     
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    And your scripture is ...? John 17:22 says otherwise, bro! "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:"

    If you ain't got the "glory," you ain't "one" with us! :laugh: Isn't that how you would interpret JESUS words?

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    Election - Through His foreknowledge, He knew the fall of man and made a way for us.
    Predstination - A future fact of all God's promises
    Calling - God speaks to the hearts of all people.
    Repentance - Those that believe will repent.
    Regeneration - Those that believe and repent, God will born them with His Spirit.
    Justification - God justifies us before Him
    Sanctification - God sets us apart
    Glorification - Soon.

    God bless and many blessings!!!
     
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    Good Day, Skypair

    Rom 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
    Rom 8:30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


    Where does this passage make reference to God knowing who will believe?

    God Knows
    God Foreordaines
    God Calls
    God Justifies
    God glorifies

    I see nothing here about any thing man does...... man is the object of all the verbs that are atttributed to God as doing them.

    In Him,

    Bill
     
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    Isn't salvation experiential? Why do we go all the way back to eternity pass on this one?
     
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    from here - a good summary

     
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    It is quite simple, really. Even Calvinists will tell you that the "foreknown" are believers. RC Sproul says that the passage wouldn't make any sense unless that were the case.

    I have "heard that song before." :laugh: They are all "active" verbs meaning that God does them, eh? So God's "foreknowing" is an act on His part, not ours. True! What is "foreknowing?" It is "knowing beforehand," "foreseeing." Let's don't "trump this up" into something it is not. God could hardly be offering salvation/rebirth to "whosoever" (John 3:16) if He already decided who would be saved.

    I do appreciate your interest in this topic though.

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    Better yet, see which one comports more with Rom 8:29-30!

    You "tip" your bogus "hand" by saying "election" = "foreknowledge," jdl. :laugh: But then you just "dig your grace deeper" by adding "inward call," "conversion," and "sanctification" which are NOT even mentioned in the so called "Golden Chain!"

    As to the Arminian characterization, you don't even try to follow Rom 8:29-30 and yet they DO believe it. They just interpret it differently than you do.

    Basically, you got an "axe to grind," don't you?

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    I view the order of salvation as follows:

    Salvation begins with God.

    Salvation ends with God.

    Everything that happens concerning salvation between the beginning and the ending is the work of God.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Another mocking polemic that leads me to my standard response link to skypair.
     
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    hahaha, jd, thats rich :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    Hi Rippon


    You know, God didn’t have to inform us at all, about His Foreknowledge.

    The fact is, “whosoever”, can be saved;
    It is just that God knew in advance, who was truly going to believe, and elected to save them.

    I believe the reason that God clued us in, on the fact of His Foreknowledge, is because, as He was explaining “Grace” to us, He had to make it perfectly clear, that we didn’t save ourselves.

    And the absolute proof, that we don’t save ourselves, is the fact that our salvation had already been arranged, by God.
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    Therefore, “God’s foreknowledge”, is a crucial part, of the Doctrine of Grace.
     
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    Well, that's one down.
     
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    That's two down.
     
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