What scriptural evidence is there for.......(Part 2)

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Limited Atonement? I don't personally like this idea. But, just because I don't like something doesn't make it wrong. Please show me from scripture where God chose me to go to heaven and chose for others to go to Hell.

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    We are predestined to salvation or to wrath:

    "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory" (Romans 9:11-23).

    God is the author of our salvation:

    "God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation" (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

    "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" (John 15:16).

    "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him" (John 6:44).

    "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Ephesians 1:5).

    "To them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).

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    Well, you start out talking about Limited Atonement, but then ask for proof of election to salvation.... I'm going for the proof of election, and hoping that is what you want.

    And I looked, but couldn't find any scripture that says that God chose YOU to go to heaven.... :D

    ( BTW, only a very few Calvinists would say God choose people to go to hell. Most would say that we are all born on our way to hell, and God chooses to pluck some out of that mass of humanity marching to hell. Those who go to hell go there because of their sin, just as the elect would minus the saving work of God on their behalf.)

    Okay, a couple of scriptural evidences for election:

    1 Thes. 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

    Ephesians 1 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved....In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will...
     

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