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What time period is described in Ezekiel 38?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by npetreley, Sep 19, 2003.

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  1. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    Here's just a snippet of it...

    I've read several descriptions of this as being a future event. If so, when do you think this will occur (not what date, but is it an end-times prophecy or something else)? If not, when did it happen?
     
    #1 npetreley, Sep 19, 2003
  2. Ed Edwards

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    The Rabbi that i talked to in 1987
    said that Ezekiel 38 and Ezekiel 39
    are two invasions of Israel by Russia (probably)
    that have yet to take place.

    IMHO Ezekiel 38 describes an
    invasion of Israel by Russia and allies
    probably before the Tribulation Period
    starts or near the Rapture/resurrection
    time. Perhaps the peace treaty that
    the Antichrist gets the enemies of Israel
    to sign for seven years will end this
    invasion (the AC getting credit for what
    God did, i.e. end the invasion)

    Ezekiel 39 describes in detail the
    post-Millennial battle of Satan against
    the forces of God, Revelation 20:8.

    [​IMG]
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Sep 19, 2003
  3. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    I've never heard that interpretation before. I assume, therefore, that you are not a pre-tribber who believes in imminence (most pre-tribbers I know insist on imminence as being a pillar of the pre-trib position). According to your interpretation, Russia would have to invade Israel before the 70th week. That would be a very visible event that would have to occur before the rapture.
     
    #3 npetreley, Sep 19, 2003
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Npetreley: "According to your interpertation, Russia
    would have to invade ISrael before the
    70th week."

    Don't think so. 100s of Millions of
    Christians will exit this world in the
    pretribualtion rapture. They will come
    from and depleate the populations
    of the Americas, sub-sarahan Africa,
    and Europe. Nobody will be able to hold
    Russia back from invading ISrael with
    it's Arab allies. Within a week of
    the pretribulation rapture the Invasion
    can be launched and stopped by God.
    Then the AC will come on the scene claiming
    what God did was done by the AC.
    It will all take place in one week (7-day)
    Between the phrases of 2 Thess 2:3:
    1) "falling away" (rapture)
    2) "the man of sin is revealed"
    (AC comes to the fore in world history)

    Yes, won't it be great to see God's
    plan for the ages come to fruition [​IMG]
     
    #4 Ed Edwards, Sep 19, 2003
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    Agree, Ed. Pre-trib makes good sense in this passage. Dual invasions - beginning of Tribulation and then in the lengthy campaign of Armageddon (NOT a single battle, but a six-month campaign covering most of present Israel).

    I see it starting tomorrow, or the next day, or the next or - probably the day after the Rapture (my blessed hope!)
     
    #5 Dr. Bob, Sep 20, 2003
  6. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    Even if you place the event in the first week of days of the 70th week of years, that still creates a huge problem for imminence. As Ezekiel 38 continues from my previous quote...

    Surely this does not describe present-day Israel. Israel is not "a land of unwalled villages". It is not "a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates".

    So unless you're going to argue the ridiculous position that Israel becomes a peaceful land without walls and bars or gates" in the few days after the rapture and before the invasion, then you have murdered the doctrine of imminence with your interpretation.
     
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  7. Ed Edwards

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    Npetreley: "Even if you place the event in the
    first week of days of the 70th week of years,
    that still creates a huge problem for imminence."

    The imminence doctrine superceeds my offhand thought
    on interpertation of Zeke 38 & 39.

    It is your turn to take a stand. I'll knock you
    off your feet so hard your teeth will rattle.

    [​IMG]
     
    #7 Ed Edwards, Sep 20, 2003
  8. npetreley

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    When your doctrines override your interpretation of scripture, it kind of makes it futile to discuss scripture with you.
     
    #8 npetreley, Sep 20, 2003
  9. Ed Edwards

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    When your doctrines override your interpretation of scripture, it kind of makes it futile to discuss scripture with you. </font>[/QUOTE]Tee Hee [​IMG]

    Doctrine = "your interpertation of scripture"

    By simple substitution of equals for equals
    we can make the statement:

    "When your doctrines override your
    doctrines, it kind of makes it futile to discuss scripture with you.

    or
    "When your interpretation of scripture
    override your interpretation
    of scripture, it kind of makes it futile to discuss scripture with you."

    Tee hee [​IMG]
     
    #9 Ed Edwards, Jun 25, 2004
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