What view of justice is "carnal" and what is not?

Please do explain how Arminian Theology exalts man and diminishes God. There is NOTHING man can possibly do to diminish God, it is an impossibility You mistake "assailment" for people who disagree with you, which obviously you seem to be incapable of accepting, rather, you simply declare and describe them in dismissive ways. ANYONE who does not look through your lens of theology automatically becomes a second class believer, if you even grant them "believer" status.

 

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Another problem with this statement is it is along the edge of Socianinism. NOT in respect to the denial of the trinity, or deity of Christ, but in the fact that Jesus is a moral example, and along this line each of us also has an opportunity to NOT sin as He did not sin. This is a denial of the fact that we are born already corrupt, and already condemned before our first initial and personal sin.

One great fallacy from all of this is in the fact that if a person never sinned, and lived up to all of the Law, never breaking a commandment, then what is preventing said person from dying for the sins of others as a perfect sacrifice? One glaring problem is they are not the Son of the Living God. Yet, in this doctrine we see a grave error. There was only One and could only ever be One that could and would accomplish this, that is, fulfill all of the Law and live perfectly. God did not prophesy or predict anyone other than His Son capable of doing this. To deviate from any of this is to teach error.

The Scriptures are clear, in Adam we are already under condemnation, and already guilty, already sinful.

This then is another, yet subtle, exaltation of man that is not Biblical by any means. Some non-cals also hold to their denial of Omniscience. Many non-cal theologies incorporate some of these fallacies, albeit unaware that they do so.

 

Benjamin,
I can agree with you here:

Paul knew about philosophy..yes...he related to those he spoke to,both in acts 17,and titus....But his conclusion was that all their idols, statues, philosphy,and learning...did not lead them to God, but was in fact bankrupt
spiritually. We know this because of several other times he speaks directly of it; it is proper to talk some science with a scientist...but very little...we are to steer them into scripture, heart issues, sin, and repentance.

[QUOTE23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29That no flesh should glory in his presence. ][/QUOTE]

Now...you yourself allude to this here;

Yes... we are to be all things to all men..agreed.

However, that being said...you do NOT see the apostles using worldly philosophy to water down or dismiss direct quotes from scripture, or direct teaching of the grace of God.
they do not use worldly and carnal phikosophy to obscure the scripture.
I see that happen here on BB daily...it should not be so.
No one posts here or anywhere else if they believe what they post is in error.
Yet there is much error here.
If I am in error I would be open to scriptural correction...as you should be.
I do not see any teaching saying we should use worldly philosophy,or debate techniques, to come to truth.... Sola scriptura is the way to go.


ps. here is what I was "whinning about" as you like to say, hot off the press in another thread post 82,between skan and aaron...skan says this;

 

No, but I often see Calvinist "phikosophy" being used to water down scripture and dismiss direct quotes from the Bible and in this case a Calvinist that does it while ignorantly devaluing man’s sense of reason. You’re sounding rather cultic to me, Pal.

You don’t seem to realize that the very system you use to interpret the scriptures within comes from reasoning through philosophical principles about what those scriptures mean. Ironic that you call other’s philosophy “worldly” while you strictly hold to a worldly philosophical system that boxes in and force fits your every interpretation. Yet, in your conceit of your system you dispute and attempt to devalue intelligent reasoning as if you are privileged to be in a state of special spiritual enlightenment regarding your systematic force fitted interpretations. Here is some scripture for you, my friend:

(Pro 26:16) The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.

(Heb 5:14) But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

(1Pe 3:15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

I assumed that you did believe these things, in which case how does this fit with your statement that:

Would not Adam's sin be the original cause of their heart's condition?

 

Mega Kudos. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

Indeed not, IF a saint, as God grants us the HS to dwell in us, Jesus to be our High priest to intercede for us, and the Bible to teach/instruct us!

 

I would be that we agree with everything you have said here (based on Rom. 1) with the exception of the bolded statement. God revealed himself through nature so that we SHOULD respond in worship to him, but due to our inherited sinful nature, we do not. God has said we are without excuse, but he also says the natural man CANNOT please God.

I would additionally argue that there are many people who have not been given "everything" they need, in that they go their whole lives without hearing about Jesus, or hearing the gospel.

 

You need to be reminded of your delimma. Your assertions don't exonerate God of the charges you assert Calvinism makes.

He knows of the evil to come, He creates a world that is subject to it, all the while having the power to prevent it. You want to use natural judgment to assign culpability, but deny the eminently self-evident and natural fact that if the work of your hands injures or damages another, whether intentional or not, or if you have failed to make provision for the safety of individuals on your property, you are liable.

Then you assert that your children are like the work of your hands, or your property!

There is only one conclusion one can draw if the obtuseness displayed isn't feigned:

You really have no idea of God, His power, or His will.

 

So, is this faith that is given by the Spirit through the hearing of the Gospel irresistible? In other words are all men given just enough to become able to please Him by believing the Gospel whether they want it or not?

 

I say YES, all men are equipped with what is necessary. Some may refer to it as prevenient grace, I say it is part of the imago dei in which ALL men are created.

 

Okay, I admit it; I've been given a lesson by Skandelon in how to be "humilified" ...is that a word? :tonofbricks:

But, I still think "Calvinist phikosophy" was funny. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Skan,

That is correct...I reject both terms.....they are outside the realm of scripture ,or scriptural teaching.

There is no free will...it does not exist...so I reject this out of hand,and for the most part, i try to avoid these discussions as i believe they are unbiblical to start with......


Free moral agent...yes ....free will no...

Benjamin had this right ,it is a waste of time to discuss this with me....it is wrong right from the start....:thumbsup:

in many of your posts you start with an assumption that this is a given......not in my world!