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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by agedman, Sep 15, 2015.
If you were the Baptist pastor?
If you were the Baptist church member?
Read this story.
I would get rid of the pastor.
I second that.
If the article was correct, and she was voted out by a majority of active members, there's nothing she can do. They can't legally stop her from attending, but she's no longer a member of the church. If she were younger, I'd say she needs to look for another church to attend. But at 103, I'd say she's ok.
I'm not going to answer the first question, because I can't. I wouldn't be that pastor.
They can legally stop her from attending without cause.
I wish some folks where as passionate about being Baptist as she is.
A pastor that can't get along with a person who has been a member for almost 100 years, needs a swift kick in the rear end. To have the folks actually vote to remove her as a member, how embarrassing for this pastor and the body of Christ.
Is she probably being a thorn in his side, yep, no doubt. He sounds like he needs a bit of thorn action going on anyway and at this point she has earned it. So suck it up buttercup, act like a pastor instead of a tyrant.
To legally keep her from attending, I think they would need a restraining order. I am not a legal expert, however, so I could be wrong.
How it is done depends on the laws of your state and county. However, in some places it just takes calling the police and having them issue a trespass and it needs to be requested from the leadership of the church. I would be surprised to see that an actual restraining order would be required.
First, if a pastor has that kind of unilateral power, then I think that's a problem. Although the article said that the letter is by vote of the church, I find that highly suspicious. Even if it is true, at the very least, it doesn't soud like they were even close to anything resembling Biblical church discipline.
Second, it seems not only wrong, but unnecessarily cruel to ban a 103 year old woman from something so precious to her in what is likely the last days of her life.
Third, sounds like she may have a point.
She's more than welcome in our church. I'll even save a seat for her.
I feel one way because it sounds like the pastor has come into the church and completely changed it's doctrine and practices in a negative way. So I say "YOU GO GIRL!" to this woman.
But then I feel another way because what if it was a dying church and a good pastor came in to bring it back to Bible truth and the congregants fought that? I think we'd stand with the pastor in this case.
I know it's hard when you've been going to a particular church for so long and after all of these years things change but honestly, her one voice more than likely won't change things. That is the reason we left our old church (we wanted to see things change for what we felt was the better and the old guard didn't) and it was really a good move for us.
From the article
She's got a point.
Yep - she totally does and I'd go with her and sit in the pew with her to take her "stand". But then again, as I said, turn the tides around and we might sing a different song. We KNOW as leaders of a church that there are those who very strongly give their opinion on things and expect everything to go their way whether that is right or wrong. In this case I believe the woman is right but she very well could be wrong and we would stand with the pastor instead.
Biggs, meanwhile, said nothing will stop her from attending the church.
"This is my church, I love this church, and he cannot stop me from going," Biggs told the station.
I agree with this sister but its the Lords church... Only he knows the heart of the matter and will pass judgement in his time and his way when needed... Lest we forget!... Brother Glen
I wonder what the by laws have to say about visitors. Maybe she can just visit for the rest of her life.
She's 103. Even if she was standing up during the sermon yelling at the pastor it is unlikely she will be doing it for long.
However. This preacher feller brings this charismatic 'slain in the Holy Ghost' Benny Hinn thing into the church, surrounds himself with folks dying to be 'moved in the Spirit' and this old woman stands up and calls him on it. Good for her.
It looks like what has happened here is the pastor came in and brought a lot of people with him, enough to be a majority. Then he transformed the church from a Baptist style of worship and doctrines to a charismatic style. I saw this happen once in a neighboring association and it wasn't pretty.
What should the old lady do? I don't know. If I were her, I would admit defeat and look for another church. It seems strange she would keep returning to a church where the style of worship completely repulses her.
I think I read yesterday on Facebook that the pastor was fired or something.
It seems that the pastor was voted out and a new interim was voted in but the pastor won't leave. Should be interesting.