What's an UNfundamental baptist?

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  1. Gina B

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    Is there such a thing? What is the difference between them and fundamental baptists?
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  2. dianetavegia

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    Maybe the Alliance of Baptists? Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a "literal" sense. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it is the meaning God intended.
     
  3. John Wells

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    Everybody else, kinda like the haves and the have nots! :D
     
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    "Fundamentalist" and "Baptist" are redundant
    terms. "Independant" and "Baptist" are
    redundant. "Independant Fundemental Baptist"
    is IMHO a triple redundancy [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, well, except that there are a lot of different types of Baptists than Independent Fundamental Baptists.

    Independent means that the church is self supporting, self reliant and doesn't answer to any umbrella leadership organization.

    Fundamental means that the religion is based on the fundamentals of faith found in the Bible. The fundamentals of my I.F.B. Church are as follows:

    *That the Bible is the inerrant, inspired Word of God and that it is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice. For reasons of textual reliability, we believe that God has preserved His Word for the English speaking people in the King James Version of the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16-17, II Peter 1:20-21


    *That God is Sovereign, God is a Person, eternally existing, as a Trinity in unity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, - three Persons and yet one God. Deuteronomy 6:4, Matthew 26:19, I Corinthians 8:6

    *That Jesus Christ, eternally existing, is the only begotten Son of God, who became a sinless man to redeem us. He was born of a virgin and is true God and true man. Luke 1:30-55, John 1:1-15, Philippians 2:5-8

     
    *That the local church is a group of believers baptized by water, banded together for edification, exhortation, and evangelism as commanded by Christ in the Great Commission; preaching the Gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15, I Corinthians 12:12, Ephesians 1:22-23

    *That man was created in the image of God but fell through sin, bringing not only physical death, but also spiritual death or eternal separation from God. Now all of mankind exists as a fallen race with an inherited sinful nature. Genesis 2:16, Genesis 3:16-19, Romans 3:10-23, Romans 6:23

    *That the Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died as a substitutionary payment for the sins of the whole world. He physically arose from the dead and then ascended into Heaven. Simple faith in this sacrifice is the only way of salvation for mankind. Luke 24, Acts 1:9-11, Romans 5:8-10, I Peter 3:18

     *That Jesus Christ Himself will soon come again in the air to catch up His Church to reward their service. The unbelievers left behind will go through a period called the Tribulation, after which Christ will return to the Earth to set up His Kingdom of one thousand years of righteous rule. After this, the unbelievers of all ages will stand at the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into the Lake of Fire, separated from God forever, while the believers spend eternity in the fullness of joy in Heaven with the Lord. Matthew 24:29-42, I Thessalonians 4:16-18, Revelation 19:11-20:13

    These are the fundamentals that my church follows. And since we are independent, they may vary slightly from any other I.F.B.C.

    I would hope that there is no such thing as an unfundamental baptist.
     
  6. dianetavegia

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    Laurenda, that fits our church stance perfectly and we're SBC. I think what separates us is stuff added by man. :( Don't you think? :confused:

    UNfundamental might be the Alliance Baptist because of their stance accepting the lifestyle choice of people we are not allowed to discuss on open boards.

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    I don't know Diane. As far as what I can tell by this board, you can't always tell what camp anyone aligns themselves with really.

    I would think that the "Independent" part was the thing that is most different between IFB's and SB"s. But I have never gone to any other type of Baptist church so I can only talk about what I know.

    I mean if you think about it, all Christian faiths should be based on the fundamentals of the Bible. So it would seem that "Fundamental" would be appropriate for any Christian based religion that did so. But what do I know...I only have my perspective. ;)

    Good point by the way. It makes sense that any type of religion who's doctrine is anti Biblical would be unFundamental. [​IMG]
     
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    That Jesus Christ Himself will soon come again in the air to catch up His Church to reward their service. The unbelievers left behind will go through a period called the Tribulation, after which Christ will return to the Earth to set up His Kingdom of one thousand years of righteous rule.
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    I guess this unbiblical viewpoint makes us unfundamental Baptists. We don't all accept this mythical understanding of the Bible. The fellowship to which I belong accepts people who ascribe to all the fundamental beliefs in the return of our blessed Lord Jesus, and allow for differences of viewpoint. We are indeed the true fundamentalists.

    From what I have seen, American Fundamentalists come with a lot of transparent biblicalisms, and are not true to the fundamental beliefs of Baptists.

    Cheers,

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    Hi folks

    I know I don't belong in this forum, but I need to vent. Something that has bothered me about groups/churches which strongly use the term fundamentalist. Why is it in 90% of their statements of faith something about literal intrepretation of the Bible almost always comes before a statement of belief about God and Christ?

    This appearance gives me great concern about fundamentalist, and is one reason I never refer to myself or my church as a fundamentalist, although we would have similar points of view on many things.

    Im not trying to pick a fight, I really don't concern myself with the interworkings of other groups of people except out of curiosity.

    Just trying to understand.
     
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    Dear Jim, I would hope you won't judge all American Baptists by what I posted about my church . As I said earlier, with Independent churches we are autonomous, we may not even agree with each other in this country, let alone the world.

    My church does not think this is anti-Biblical, or they wouldn't have posted scripture references.

    If it is unbiblical, perhaps you could start a thread discussing that, I would surely value your tutaledge on the subject.

    Respectfully....your friend.
    W.S. ;)
     
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    Hi Jeff, I think the title of a church is important. How many times I've seen a name that makes you wonder what on earth they believe. I mean, Southern Baptist for example...if it weren't for Diane, I wouldn't have a clue what that type of church believed. And the other types of Baptist, who knows what they believe? It's not something that is evident by their names. This is just my way of looking at it. I'm sure that the other types of Baptists know perfectly well what the name means, but let me put it this way...I can't tell. And aside from Southern Baptists, I've yet to meet any other kind of Baptist outside of I.F. that was willing to explain much. (besides you, you are actually the only one as I remember who tried to explain this to me)

    A lot of people don't like my name either, but at least it means something right?

    Maybe I.F.B.C's call themselves that for the same reason why some churches go by "Open Bible" So there is no mistake that they open their Bible and use it in the church? Or Calvary Baptist...which points to what they are focussed on.
     
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    Brother Jim, this doctrine is neither unbiblical nor mythical but rather is clearly proclaimed in teh word of God. If you feel led to doubt this please don't do it here.
    Murph
     
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    Jim1999, I agree with Murph and W/S that this is most assuredly scriptural and Biblical!

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    Jim1999,

    Ah, another postmodern preacher displays his plumage, like a proud peacock! :( :confused:
     
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    AMEN! [​IMG]
     
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    Murph, with all due respect, I am tired of being told I can't post on the Board. Either have me suspended or get off my back. You are allowed to say all manner of things about those who do not adhere to your brand of biblical teaching and we must take it and like it. Is that the way it is?
    Is that what you want? Then I suggest you have the owner inform me and I will comply.

    A public rebuke merits a public response.

    Cheers,

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    Jim, that might be one point this fundamental baptist agrees with you on, depending on a bit more explanation of what you meant.
    Will you explain it a little more for me please? I'll start a thread in the theology section titled "The Return" or something like that.
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    I think the issue is that Jim posted this statement in the Fundamental Forum:

    The problem is the use of the words, unbiblical and mythical understanding of the Bible. (regarding the Rapture of the Church).

    By your own admission, Jim, you are not a fundamentalist. I am 100% behind Murph on this one, because the Fundamental Forum Rules posted at the top of this Forum clearly state:

    Of course, Jim's post could have been deleted and the controversy would be over by now and thread not hijacked. :eek:

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    I fully agree with you SheEagle! The rapture is neither mythical nor unbiblical!

    Wasn't this just debated on another thread recently. Seems like we go round and round...

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    Of course, Jim's post could have been deleted and the controversy would be over by now and thread not hijacked. :eek:

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    I agree with you 100% She Eagle and I wish I had done just that. I hope that the thread can now return to it's intended path.
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