What's with the CBF ?

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  1. Bob Alkire

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    - The liberal Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF) held its annual
    meeting in Charlotte, North Carolina, earlier this month, and one of
    the speakers claimed that Baptists have always believed that there
    are different gospels. Bill Leonard, dean of Wake Forest University
    Divinity School, spoke on "The Plan(s) of Salvation." He stated,
    "Almost from the beginning of our movement, give or take 20 or 30
    years, Baptists themselves have not agreed on the nature or process
    of conversion. We have had multiple plans" (Baptist Press, July 2,
    2003).

    Leonard also claimed that
    John 14:6 and similar verses do not prove that Jesus Christ is the
    only way of salvation and that anyone who feeds the hungry and visits
    the sick will go to heaven. Another speaker from liberal Wake Forest,
    Charles Kimball, said that Christians who claim that there is only
    one way of salvation are potentially dangerous. Kimball also said
    that the God of Islam and the God of the Bible are the same and that
    people of other religions do not have to come to God through Jesus
    Christ. The Baptist World Alliance is in the process of accepting the
    CBF into its membership, and many of its current member
    denominations, such as the Baptist Union of Britain, are just as
    liberal.

    What's with these people?
     
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    They are liberal and full of the spirit of Anti-Christ. What more does one need to know? That is what is up with them.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I guess that's why many of their main speakers at General Assembly continue to bash the SBC.
     
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    What’s the origin of this report?

    It sounds suspiciously like the reporter worked very hard to misrepresent what was said. :rolleyes:
     
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    Rock: CBF ain't so bad. Have you ever been to one of their meetings?
     
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    They aren't really that "liberal". As you noted, "many" of BWA's member denomintaions are "just as liberal".
    There comes a time when you have to accept that everyone else is not liberal- You are just very conservative.
     
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    Hit the nail on the head. In fact, the missions work of the CBF is a covert attempt to feed the hungry and preach the gospel on behalf of the anti-christ. Sure, its illogical for missionaries full of the anti-christ to risk their lives to preach Christ's gospel and feed the hungry in his name, but people full of the spirit of Christ here at BaptistBoard don't need silly things like logic to know CBF's intentions. They just know.
     
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    Now David, I just saw in your profile on 'another board' that you are now a CBF so you should include that info in your post.

    Diane
     
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    [​IMG] [​IMG] Ah, Diane. Never mind. Thanks for the chuckle. :D
     
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    I believe Baptist Press is the source of the story.

    The ABP version is different:

    If you care to read the ABP account:

    http://www.abpnews.com/abpnews/story.cfm?newsId=3684&srch=1

    BTW, the BWA has voted to accept the CBF into membership, so it's only a matter of time before the SBC withdraws from that organization, IMO.
     
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    Hit the nail on the head. In fact, the missions work of the CBF is a covert attempt to feed the hungry and preach the gospel on behalf of the anti-christ. Sure, its illogical for missionaries full of the anti-christ to risk their lives to preach Christ's gospel and feed the hungry in his name, but people full of the spirit of Christ here at BaptistBoard don't need silly things like logic to know CBF's intentions. They just know. </font>[/QUOTE]2 Peter 2. I think the scripture very aptly describes what is happening in the CBF today.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Hmm… The closest thing I found to this story was an opinion piece written by a Southern student named Roach. It bears little resemblance to what was posted at the beginning of this thread.

    I agree strongly with Leonard according to what was reported in ABP.
     
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    I have seen dishonesty and liberalism on both sides of the fence. Who are we kidding. I have known some very conservative men in the CBF and some rather liberal in the SBC.

    It's about having the right political agenda and saying you believe the right stuff. Personally I think many of them are liebral because they are more about religion than about carrying the commands of Mt/ 4:19, and 28:19,20.

    IF we are not personally discipling others then we are in effect a liberal.

    It is always interesting to ask those who make the right claims to have them name some people who are living for Jesus Christ because of their life.

    I am convinced that the average Christian knows little of what they believe and so few have ever led anyone to Christ.

    If every Christian in the churches today were to disciple someone in a two year period our churches would double every two years.

    The average denomination grows less than 1 percent each year. We can argue all we want about liberalism. But the fact is so many liberals sit in conservative churches soaking it up each week and do nothing to advance the kingdom.

    I know one church I pastored was so dead that it had almost closed. I told them we would shut down every program and we would begin to meet people, share our faith, and start Bible studies. They did and the church was dramatically changed. The church is doing well today because the people quit relying on someone else or other programs and started doing ministry themselves.

    The church is liberal when it is not obedient to the very basic command Jesus gave.
     
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    Hmm… The closest thing I found to this story was an opinion piece written by a Southern student named Roach. It bears little resemblance to what was posted at the beginning of this thread.

    I agree strongly with Leonard according to what was reported in ABP.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with him as well as reported in the BP. I think we have here yet another attempt by the SBC to smear the CBF and brand them as liberal, non-believers.
     
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    Wow! I agreed with what he said as well. Why would someone so misrepresent what he said?
     
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    Rock,

    In fact, I have been to one of their meetings. It was at Second Baptist Church in Little Rock, Arkansas three or four years ago. I don't remember if it was their national or state meeting. Anyway, I had a pastor friend who lived in North Little Rock and he and I went just to check it out.

    They featured a Christian rock band complete with bright red and white outfits and abnormal shaped guitars. Tony Campollo was the speaker.

    We listened to his inane drivel for a while, but when he claimed to have conveyed the love of Christ to a man by leaning on him during an airplane flight, my friend headed for the door....I was just a few steps behind him.

    That was my first and last experience with a CBF meeting.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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    I have seen liberals in the CBF and SBC. Some of the people in the CBF are not liberals and would make the fundamentalists look rather libeal in their efforts to interpret scripture.

    Many joined the CBF early on because they wanted to continue to be a part of a group that promotes the old time Baptist beliefs.

    One of my close friends is a doctor in a foreign country and is certainly not a liberal. He is a part of the CBF because he wanted to be a missionary. Initially he talked with the SBC but they wasted so much time and ended up telling him in effect that because he was not an American citizen they couldn't take him. So he went to the CBF. He is doing a great work to reach people. Many people are being reached because of his ministry. The SBC won't support local missionaries. WHY? Seems a shame to spend a ton of money on Americans to learn the language and customs when you could make much better use of the funds to support locals who already know the language and customs and will much more easily reach others.

    I have seen a number of people in the SBC who would call thewmselves conservative but in practice they are liberal. They say they believe the right things. But they don't study, and ignore the hard issues. I know of one who was a trustee at one of the SBC seminaries who regularly preached other preachers sermons. Another shacked up with a few ladies from his congregation and he was the chairman of the trustees at an SBC seminary.

    Personally I think both of them have agendas. People I have spoken with who are heavily involved are afraid to deal with the tough issues. It is more politics than theological.

    Jesus certainly in His day would have been seen as liberal by the religious community. I am confident that if we did as Jesus did we would be labeled liberal or radical but certainly not conservative.

    I believe that any time we stray from what the Bible teaches we end up with something far less than God can bless.

    Why should anyone be labeled as conservative or fundamentalistst. The scripture has one interpretation and it is not conservative, moderate. nor liberal. It is God's word and we must "hit the nail ont the head." Anything less is an incorrect interpretation. IT IS WRONG! Jesus called us to radical Christianity. He called us to live a life where we are to be filled with the spirit and have a radical relationship with him. Labels weigh people down. Jesus has called us to a life of freedom.

    Anytime we condemn a man or woman who lives for Jesus Christ we must ask ourselves who's living for Jesus Christ because of our life.

    It amazes me that I have been called liberal and a findamentalist. Yet I continue to believe that the many liberals and a number of fundamentalists really don't seriously study the text of scripture. They just sit ignorantly by and believe what someone else does. It Martin Luther did that we would not have had a reformation.

    Amidst all of the name calling I see very few who can name very many, if any, who are living for Jesus Christ because of their life. If that is the case then they are essentially ineffective.
    If we are not discipling othewrs then we are disobedient slaves to the master who bought us. No amount of theological argument changes that.

    If each person in a chruch discipled on the average of one person for every two years the church would double every two years. On the average the person would reach by the time of seventy years of age 29 people. How many pastors have discipled one person evry two years. Until that time we can argue all we want but the fact still remanins that the chruches are ineffective. People that want to spend all of their time name calling usually do little or nothing for kingdom work.

    Non-Christians are looking for radical believers not conservative, fundamental or liberal labeled Christians.
     
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    Rock,

    Tony Campollo was the speaker.

    We listened to his inane drivel for a while, but when he claimed to have conveyed the love of Christ to a man by leaning on him during an airplane flight, my friend headed for the door....I was just a few steps behind him.

    That was my first and last experience with a CBF meeting.

    Mark Osgatharp
    </font>[/QUOTE]I've heard Tony Campolo preach four times and every time he preached an inspiring gospel message. He's a great preacher and has done a tremendous amous of good with his christian programs for the urban poor.
     
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    Yeah, what have you got against Campolo? I was privileged to hear him speak at an Operation Mobilisation conference in 1989 and it inspired me to go out and do missionary work in Europe.

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     

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