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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, May 30, 2007.

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  1. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
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    Now Kudos To The NLTse !

    Snips from the Psalms . NIV/NLTse

    1:1 -- Blessed is the man
    Oh , the joys of those
    4:2 -- How long, O men
    How long will you people
    5:6 -- deceitful men
    deceivers
    8:4 -- What is man
    What are people
    12:1 -- from among men
    from the earth
    25:12 -- the man that fears the Lord
    those who fear the Lord
    32:10 -- the man
    the one
    37:23 -- the Lord delights in a man's way
    He delights in every detail of their lives
    38:13 -- a deaf man
    I am deaf
    39:5 -- Each man's life
    each of us
    39:11 -- disciplines men ... each man
    disciplines us ... each of us
    43:1 -- wicked men
    unjust liars
    49:7 -- No man
    they cannot
    52:1 -- mighty man
    great warrior
    54:3 -- ruthless men seek my life -- men without regard for God
    violent people are trying to kill me . They care nothing for God .
    53:13 -- a man like myself
    my equal
    55:23 -- deceitful men
    Murderers and liars
    58:11 -- These men will say
    everyone will say
    59:3 -- Fierce men
    fierce enemies
    60:11 -- the help of man is worthless
    human help is useless
    66:5 -- in man's behalf
    for people
    66:12 -- You let men ride over our heads
    You put a leader over us
    78:8 -- forefathers
    ancestors
    78:60 -- among men
    among the people
    89:48 -- What man can live and not see death
    No one can live forever ; all will die
    90:3 -- You turn men back to dust
    You turn people back to dust
    92:6 -- The senseless man
    a simpleton
    103:15 -- As for man
    Our days on earth
    104:14 -- plants for man to cultivate
    plants for people to use
    104:15 -- gladdens the heart of man
    to make them glad
    104:23 -- man goes out to work
    people go off to their work
    128:4 -- Thus is the man blessed who fears the Lord
    That is the Lord's blessing for those who fear him
    141:4 -- men who are evildoers
    those who do wrong
    141:5 -- a righteous man
    the godly
    142:3 -- men have hidden a snare for me
    they have hidden a trap for me
     
    #21 Rippon, Jun 5, 2007
  2. Salamander

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    Thus the clarity of the KJB is still far Superior. Even in the area of the individual's answer to God is explicit in the KJB where your examples try and diminish the importance of individualism.
     
    #22 Salamander, Jun 5, 2007
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    Panda-monium at its finest.
     
    #23 Salamander, Jun 5, 2007
  4. Rippon

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    Sal , those 35 or so references where I gave the wording of the NLTse were all generic .Your fear about diminishing the importance of individualism is a silly one . If anything the Bible is against individualism . We don't need the kind of Andrew Jackson individualism -- that's rank Arminianism .
    What do you do with the KJV renderings in the Beatitudes ? Were the translators wrong to put it in the plural form ?
     
    #24 Rippon, Jun 5, 2007
  5. Salamander

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    The Lord has always dealt specifically with the individual and his sin, even to the point of holding an entire nation accountable for following that one man's sin.

    When the Lord deals with a group of people it is always concerning worship and their problems with multiple sins.
     
    #25 Salamander, Jun 7, 2007
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    Wishing we had that olde English back? From The Cambridge History of English and American Literature in 18 Volumes (1907–21), Volume I. From the Beginnings to the Cycles of Romance, part XIX. "Changes in the Language to the Days of Chaucer"--
    13. Loss of Native Words.

    In the first thirty lines of Aelfric’s homily on St. Gregory, there occur the following words, none of which survived beyond the middle of the thirteenth century: andweard present, gedeorf labour, gecnyrdnyss study, ges[char]ligl[char]gl[char]ce blessedly, B[char]geng worship, geb[char]gan to subdue, drohtnung manner of life, swutell[char]ce plainly, wer man, gereccan to relate, [char]awf[char]st pious, [char]cenned born, [char]pelboren nobly born, m[char]gp kindred, wita senator, geglengan to adorn, sw[char]gan to sound, be called, wacol watchful, bebod command, herigendl[char]ce laudably, geswutelian to manifest.​
     
    #26 franklinmonroe, Jun 15, 2007
  7. Rippon

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    Did the ESV go too far with their inclusiveness?If not,why has the TNIV been singled-out for all the negativity on the so-called gender issue?
     
    #27 Rippon, Feb 14, 2009
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    Only a year and 8 months in attempting to bring this dead thread back to life - well off the year or two of some of your attempts at resuscitation. :rolleyes:

    Yer' slippin' in yer' old age, Rippon! :rolleyes:

    Ed
     
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  9. Rippon

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    I'm not Arminian -- but I guess I'd be considered some kind of Revivalist (speaking non-theologically of course.)
     
    #29 Rippon, Feb 14, 2009
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    Both sides of your mouth?:tongue3:
     
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    Extolling the importance of individualism is killing our churches by using a watered down, man-centered, man-focused gospel, instead of the God glorifying, Jesus-centered, Spirit anointed gospel of the Bible.
     
    #31 TomVols, Feb 14, 2009
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    TNIV at the top and except for the first example (using the ESV)-- the HCSB below.


    I'm just giving a factual breakdown of how close the TNIV and HCSB are with so-called gender inclusivity.
     
    #32 Rippon, Feb 16, 2009
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    I think this thread is relevant to another current post.
     
    #33 Rippon, Jun 16, 2011
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    Here Is Another One

    All that gender-neutral stuff from the ESV. Grudem &Co.,for shame![Sarcasm off]
     
    #34 Rippon, Jun 16, 2011
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    My number one fave translation is the NASB 1977--which, happy dance, just arrived in a compact giant print right to my door today, oh joy joy joy. Ordered black, got burgundy, but hey who cares? Next fave is KJV, then NKJV.

    Now, that out of the way, what on earth is really wrong with gender accuracy? There is no scriptural reason to use the masculine as the generic.

    So those favoring using one gender as generic have convinced me.

    I'm going to start referring to those males as "she".

    Surely all of us gals here on Baptist Board, males and females both, can woman up and deal with that.
     
    #35 nodak, Jun 16, 2011
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    Chessic, I believe you to be 100% correct.
     
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    You leave no context. One of Chessic's quotes from this thread:"I'm not sure why you would single out MV's. Older versions cause much confusion,especially as their languages,dialects,etc. die out."

    I believe he was 100% correct there. How about you?
     
    #37 Rippon, Jun 19, 2011
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    Yeah, thanks Jerome. Double threads on the same topic. Since this one has many more posts it contains more information to weigh.
     
    #38 Rippon, Feb 1, 2017
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    That is the stated goal of some in bible translations, to have in their mind the alleged over masulcline emphesis taken away and replaced wit morecurrent unerstandings of role beteen man and woman!
     
    #39 Yeshua1, Feb 1, 2017
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    That version is really bad in how it handled inclusibe gender!
     
    #40 Yeshua1, Feb 1, 2017
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