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Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges / Seminaries' started by samarelda, Mar 15, 2006.
Just curious as to why BJU is criticized to much. What is wrong with the university in your eyes?
As is true of any human institution, the school over the years has made some misteps. Nothing fatal,mind you, but misteps none the less. Added to that is the tendency for leaders to get arrows in the back.
May I advise you to go down to the basement of the coffee house and dig around until you find a hard hat. You might need it after some give their opinions on the question at hand.
They are too expensive!
You mean aside from the racism, not being accredited, shoddy academic standards...?
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You mean aside from the racism, not being accredited, shoddy academic standards...? </font>[/QUOTE]I think they are trying to get accreditation.
I agree with the too expensive part.
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[ March 17, 2006, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]
Self-righteous separatism that "lovingly" calls all other believers who don't agree with them "new evangelicals."
An environment that stunts the normal growth process young people need to become adults.
An extra biblical interpretation of Scripture that makes their view equal to the Word of God.
I can agree with some of what Paul33 says. I never attended BJU but my wife is a graduate. I have always had a problem with the opinion that their internal rules and interpretation become almost biblical. To break the rules at BJ is not simply to break the rules but to sin against God himself. (In the opinion of some, not all, of the staff and faculty)
I will also agree with MikeinGhana, they are definitely expensive.
As far as what Mike Mck said, they are not racist, they have applied for accreditation, and their academic standards are anything but shoddy.
I heard this also, but wasn't sure. Perhaps someone else can likewise verify this.
They are. For years they would not even apply for religious accreditation for fear of compromise. Somewhere I have a pamphlet from them explaining and giving case examples of how schools that were Regionally Accredited had compromised as (IIRC) had some ATS schools. Even with TRACS they were afraid of doctrinal compromise.
They have now achieved candidacy with TRACS http://www.TRACS.org . They are a quality institution and I have no doubt they will achieve full accreditation. I think they have been candidates for around a year. TRACS is very conservative and that fits with BJU. TRACS itself has come a long way to the point that a few years ago the US Dept of Ed commended them for their methodology (something to that effect).
Someone on a secular board I believe speculated that BJU saw the writing on the wall and decided that they needed recognized accreditation and that it was simply a dollars & sense issue. TRACS is a fairly good fit. Now....will PCC be next or stay the course.
So where is the apology to the rest of the fundamental Baptist institutions that sought accreditation and were criticized for compromising with the world! I think specifically of MBBC.
BJU changes its views and then minimizes their original position.
The ban on inter-racial dating and marriage, for example. Now accreditation!
The problem with BJU is that they can never say, "I'm sorry. We are wrong on that one."
BJU offers the ability to come out a smug know-it-all with little/no Baptist training or local church involvement. They bad-mouthed my alma mater for becoming accredited (North Central real accreditation) and their cronies in the Chicago area blew a gasket.
NOW they are seeking some sort of accreditation themselves. Duh. Their history of blatant racism is well known. Their involvement with people like Paisley is continuing.
They seek to put themselves (by their own definition, of course) at the center of fundamentalism which is a joke.
And the blind loyalty - if you hire a youth pastor or pastor from BoJo, you KNOW what school they will praise and all others damn. Very few level-headed BoJo's around.
Ask me again and I'll tell you what I REALLY think.
I do understand your viewpoint. Many of the things that you say, and others have said, I too do agree with them.
However, as one who has not gone there myself; I only wanted to point out on the other thread that BJU has had an indirect positive influence on me. I would probably not be the minister I am if not for this influence.
There is probably some level of truth or truth of perception to most if not all of the critiques offered on the BB against BJU. I too see those foibles (don't for a minute believe that I don't!).
However, b/c I did not attend there and its influence on me came from a genteel man who did not possess the narrow spirit of many; I was positively touched. Therefore, I have a bit of a different skew than some might have.
I suppose that is the only point I am trying to make. I have been accused of compromise as I get older. I am not sure if that is true or not? Maybe us "old fundamentalists" just don't have the fight for the trivia (i.e., secondary separation and such) that we use to have. Maybe now some of us want to "major on the majors" and not "major on the minors" like we use to do.
To ullustrate this point; Bob Seger and The Silver Bullitt band have a song; "Against the Wind." In it, the writer says something to the effect that he is older now and is trying to decide "what to leave out" and "what to leave in." I guess that is kinda' sorta' where I am.
One of my mentors @ Mid America Baptist Seminary told me many years ago: "A Conservative is just a 'slow' Liberal!" I guess he was right.
I only want us to think calmly, rationally, and critically. And I do not want us to become reactionary the way BJU has always been. That, seems to me, is just as wrong as they are.
Food for thought!
Wow this could be copied and applied to nearly every thread here. We have many members that are so quick to judge someone that doesn't agree with them instead of lifting them up in prayer and using these threads to lift and train another. It is the tone of the attacks that make it seem personal and yet the posts seem to offer little proof but a whole lot of slander (or is it libel).
I think that the more I'm on the BB the more the old phrase I heard about us Baptist seems truer every day. "We Baptist are the only 'army' to shoot our own wounded!!"
My food for thought!!
When an institution is unbalanced, then nothing is right with it.
They criticize modernists for sitting in judgment of Scripture, and rightly so. They then turn around and put their interpretation of Scripture above Scripture, putting themselves above Scripture.
Ironic, isn't it?
And they don't even know that they are doing it.
Therefore, applying their standard of judgement against others to them, there is nothing right with BJU.
Thankfully, my daughter saw through the artifical campus environment and went to Auburn University instead!
I want to add that this is a legitimate answer to the question, "What is right with BJU?"
Anyone who has attended BJU knows that it was pounded into our heads that if something is just a little wrong, then it was wrong. A little leaven leavens the whole batch. There was no gray. Everything was evaluated on the basis of right or wrong, black or white. In the same measure they have judged others, they themselves will be judged. Therefore, having attended BJU myself, I can say on the basis of their standards of judgement that nothing is right with BJU.
As always I love to read your posts. Yes, I understand your point of view. Sometimes I even let my guard down and find myself praising some aspect of BJU!
Seriously, BJU has so much to offer the world and Christianity specifically, if they would only practice "the whole counsel of God's Word" and demonstrate humility and love to those of us they have labeled new evangelicals and compromisers.
I know that you know that your school and the SBC is rejected by BJU.
In any event, I want to affirm that there are good people who graduate from BJU, but that may be in spite of BJU.
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