What's Wrong with Calvinism?

I'm sorry, but you have the time here on BB. The articles are short, researched, and biblically referenced. Choose one. It won't take you any more time than reading through the responses here. If you are really interested in what I think is wrong with Calvinism, any one of those articles is a start.

Thanks.

 

Helen read your aritcles and sorry to say found it riddled with your own pre-suppositions. You went to read the bible and study with the INTENT of disproving Calvinism. SO already your mind was blocked to the possibility that it is the TRUTH. In your first article you say and I quote..."That is really dumb. Who could love a God like that? Who could believe that?"

You see you are already defining God by what you want Him to be. You cannot do a study unless you are open to having your mind changed, you were not. There are many other places where you define what you want God to be, take your baby argument for example you presuppose that you love your child more than God, yet election has nothing to do with love, it has to do with God's purpose for His creation. ALL mankind deserves to die, yet God has grace on some, that is what makes it Grace.

And your article on election again done with the intent to show election to mean something that you like, something that makes you feel better about your god.

You cannot do studies in that manner.

 

Without a structured theology, you get too many situations where everybody believes something different due to their translation of the bible. If you don't think this is true, just look around this forum, seems like everybody believes everybody else is going to hell. Now, if something like this binds people together under a common belief with a common goal, I just really don't see why it is so bad. The Catholics have a system like this and I seriously doubt that there is nearly as much vastly differing beliefs within their faith.

 

sounds like (to me) you did exactly what you accused Helen of doing...reading her articles with your own pre-suppositions.

 

No pre-suppositions at all just basing it on HER words.

 

I think I made it very clear in each of the articles that I went into the particular subject treated with not only an open mind, but with curiosity about what the Bible was really saying in each case. To accuse me of otherwise is simply a false accusation.

 

You made it very clear that you did not agree and that is what caused you to look. You looked for things to support your view. And ignored things that disagreed.

 

Please show me what I ignored in any one of the articles and I will be happy to address it both here and there.

 

Only hurts when I attempt to throw something like eggs or rocks! :smilewinkgrin: :tongue3: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

Well how about Romans 1. What happened to the rest of the book? Did it not agree with what your views are?

 

That's a pretty vague answer. What in Romans, specifically, do you think I ignored? I find nothing in Romans 1 which denies the freedom of men to make a true and real choice. What I do find there is that when men choose against the truth on a consistent basis, God finally gives them over to the only thing that is left -- the lie. And all it entails.

What do you disagree with there?

 

There is nothing there to show that man has a choice either. All it does is show the nature of man. Which is fallen, it also shows that there was something keeping them in check what was that thing. God. God GAVE them over this shws that something was keeping them from going over.

 

Which is why we let Bible explain Bible. Would you please tell me who you think the Lord is speaking to in Isaiah 1:18-20?

 

BD17. I see in your profile that you are REFORMED. That of course tells me you san see all of this with an unbiased eye and that you have no agenda of your own, Right?

 

Of course not That's why it is really pointless to get into these discussions with people that already have their mind made up one way or the other on either side. They say they are open minded but they really aren't.

 

My problem with Calvinism is Calvinists.

 

What's wrong with Calvinism?
Back in June of 1975, the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship put out an Information Bulletin which contained an article about the positon of John Calvin, and compared it to the Baptist Distinctives which we hold today.
Here it is:

I believe these are good enough reasons not to accept Calvinism in any of its various forms.
DHK

 

Many 3 point Calvinists among Baptists and also Arminians -- so no need to think they are all wild-eyed 4-pointers or the more reserved and reasoned 5-pointers.

In Christ,

Bob