when did God put all names in the lambs Book of Life?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    From Eternity past, all placed in there 'same time", or does he have to wait and see if we will accept Christ before adding names in there?

    And do some of you hold tht you can be erased out, its conditional salvation in there?
     
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    Well I may be wrong, but if I understand this free will thing that everybody keeps talkin bout, I reckon he want know until everybody gets there.

    If I could lose it and get it back, he'd have to have an awful lot of erasers or white out for me, cause I sure can be a rotten scoundrel.
     
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    From God's mind,he knows all the names that will be there from the foundation of the world.

    From Mankind's mind,he knows when one is Saved that his name is there.

    Both statements are true,God is all knowing and man is limited in knowing.
     
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    also that is why we preach that WHOSOEVER will let them come.

    But from God's perspective he already knows whos coming,because he has ordained them to come .:godisgood::godisgood:
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with you. I believe in the Doctrines of Grace. My initial answer was a bit tongue and cheek. Because if one does believe they truly have a choice as many here propose, doesn't that limit God in some ways? I mean how would he really know how someone was going to decide until they showed up? I don't know who the elect are, so we preach whosoever will, but God does. If you follow the logical conclusion of what some folks believe though, wouldn't that mean that God gets caught of guard?
     
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    Free will has nothing to do with salvation, it has everything to do with the will of God and to say not my will which is wicked, but His will to repent and live. To turn away from self and to turn to God through Jesus Christ and listen and learn from Him. In other words free will what ever that is does not save anyone, the will of God does.

    It has to do with the seed, taking root. If it has not by letting satan steal it or trials and tribulation choke it out before it takes its roots in our heart. This is what the scripture declares remain in Christ even if we have doubts even if we believe we are faithless, because He can't disown Himself.

    Psalm 69:28
    May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

    John 1:11
    He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.

    Matthew 10:33
    But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

    Luke 12:9
    But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

    Revelation 3:5
    The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

    1 John 2 :
    Warnings Against Denying the Son

    18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

    20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[Some manuscripts and you know all things] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

    26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
     
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    I believe it is God's will that we are all saved! I believe we are written before and we are taken out when we reject the gospel! I could be wrong!
     
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    With the Scripture given in my last post that these verses tell of how the names are put in the book of life. I being a non Jew was included when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed. John 15 explains the parts of the tree. In the tree we are all one no matter who you were before.

    Romans 11:
    13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

    17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

    22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
     
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    But we could reject it today and accept salvation next year?
     
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    True! But I think God knows when in our hearts we have made that final decision. That is when we are blotted out of the Book of Life...This is just my opinion...No scripture to really back it up!
     
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    To say that it is Gods will for something to take place and then it doesn't is saying God lost control or never was in control to start with. If God is not in control then something else has to be in control besides God. That something else whether it be man or circumstances is god at the time of being in control.
     
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    So you hold to type of Universalism, in that God reconciled all sinners to himself by the Cross, and we get lost once we reject that truth?

    Why even have missionaries, or witness, wouldn't that bring people to rejection and losing what God did for them already?
     
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    Some here seem to hold that God is waiting on us to decide, that he is cheering us on to make that decision, but is stuck waiting to see what we do!
     
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    Not sure what your saying here! But to set the record straight! I believe we have a choice as far as receiving Christ or not! So if that is being in control..then I believe God gave us control to choose!
     
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    I believe that God paid the penalty for sin..and he paid it for all men! Whether we accept his payment or reject it is up to us!
     
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    What if no one chose to accept it?
     
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    LOL!!! Now do you think that will get them to reason it out?

    Here is the core question. Did Christ come to make the salvation of all humans possible, to remove obstacles that stood in way of salvation, & merely make a provision for salvation? Or did he come to save his people?

    Interesting argument Right!
     
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    Now why in the world would he do that? In other words your telling us that your own presupposition is that God ALWAYS gives humans the final word in their own fate -- and in a sense He does, for left to our own devices, we will ALWAYS choose to spend eternity in hell! It is into that presupposition that God breaks, giving us (John 3:16-20) LIFE and more so, graciously and mercifully, ABUNDANT life!
     
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    also ask yourself just WHO is his people?

    according to scripture--Jesus came to seek and save THAT which was lost?

    That not only refers to people but also to his creation(mankind which was lost in adam).:love2::love2:
     
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    If he came to make the salvation of all humans possible, but not all are saved, then does that make his mission a failure?

    Also, if we have a choice in the matter, then why did Christ have to die in the first place? I mean, couldn't he have just kept on going around and teaching, doing miracles, and people would have made a choice and believed he was the Son of God, I mean wouldn't that be enough?

    I'm thankful that the Christ I serve isn't sitting around wringing his hands about who is going to choose him. I'm glad he's both the lion and the lamb, a warrior who defeated sin and death, and a humble servant to God the father, I'm thankful that "It is finished" was his cry on the cross. :jesus:
     

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